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  世爵称北汽购淘汰车型对其有利

  北汽于本周一(12月14日)对外宣布了购得萨博部分资产的消息,其中包括现款萨博9-5、9-3 等三个整车平台和两个系列的涡轮增压发动机、变速箱的技术所有权以及部分生产制造模具。据知情人士表示,收购金额为1.97亿美元,这笔资金足够萨博运营三个月,这意味着萨博暂时没有破产的风险。

  萨博发言人Gunilla Gustavs 称:“本次萨博出售给北汽的资产虽然是重要的,但却不是萨博的核心资产。出售这批资产所得到钱我们将用于未来新萨博的重建上,希望能对萨博的未来有所帮助。”

  在北汽公布收购交易后,荷兰世爵汽车首席执行官维克托-穆勒(Victor Muller)表示,尽管北汽已买走了萨博的部分资产,但世爵与通用汽车的谈判仍在继续。穆勒称,北汽所购为“萨博淘汰车型”,这对于世爵而言是“一个好消息”。

  据悉,萨博9-5是一款寿命非常长的车型,从1997年上市到今年,已经经历了12个年头,这对于一款车来说,已经达到了销售周期的极致。而在7月初,萨博就已经停产了老款9-5。12年间萨博9-5共生产50万辆。

  今年9月全新换代车型2010款萨博9-5年底将上市销售,车将转用通用EpsilonII中级轿车平台,因此新一代萨博9-5将转由位于德国的欧宝Ruesselsheim工厂代工生产。此平台并不在此次北汽收购的范围内。

  而萨博官方网站显示,9-3也已停产。
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原文由 contra 在2009-12-17 09:32发表
典型的吃不到葡萄就说葡萄是酸的呗,建议北汽把世爵也顺带收购了,省得丫老JJWW的。


你以为“屎厥厥”不想卖啊,可是它得有能卖的东西啊,卖什么?

80多年前的迈巴赫发动机还是今天的奥迪发动机?

呵呵,除了吹嘘自己的烂手工豪华之外,这个狗屎品牌就剩一个怪异难看的造型了^
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一个有市场的组装厂买了个不得势的组装厂产品,弄好了也就拉动个GDP,由国内的组装厂继续把落后淘汰的技术卖给我们。
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原文由 柯纳 在2009-12-16 23:56发表
GM接手Saab以后第一件事就是把难产的9-3换了一个Opel平台推出了,第二件事情也是把Opel的一款3.0l六缸引擎引入Saab家族,给配置最高的车用。

结果Saab用户不买账,最后还是把I-4 Turbo作为旗舰车配置。

SCC的前辈应该是DI(Direct Ignition[/url ......


记得Saab的turbo是仨棱出的
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北京现在9-3 Linear 2.0T已经报价27万,是个抄底的好时候
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屎厥,上个世纪20年代山寨了几辆车就葛屁的“品牌”
包装之下,借尸还魂摇身一变成为“百年※※”的超跑

我看改名叫屎特比较贴切
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典型的吃不到葡萄就说葡萄是酸的呗,建议北汽把世爵也顺带收购了,省得丫老JJWW的。
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GM接手Saab以后第一件事就是把难产的9-3换了一个Opel平台推出了,第二件事情也是把Opel的一款3.0l六缸引擎引入Saab家族,给配置最高的车用。

结果Saab用户不买账,最后还是把I-4 Turbo作为旗舰车配置。

SCC的前辈应该是DI(Direct Ignition),90年代就有。
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原文由 柯纳 在2009-12-16 23:26发表
Saab的两台引擎(2.0和2.3 Turbo)还是很牛的。


还有saab自己的直喷技术SCC Saab Combustion Control

=========这个文章说得很详细了========
http://www_saabnet_com/tsn/press/001004.html
Saab Combustion Control system:
Lower emissions through extensive use of exhaust gases

            The Saab Combustion Control (SCC) system is a new engine control system developed to lower fuel consumption while radically reducing the exhaust emissions, but without impairing engine performance. By mixing a large proportion of exhaust gases into the combustion process, the fuel consumption can be reduced by up to 10 percent, at the same time lowering the exhaust emissions to a value below the American Ultra Low Emission Vehicle 2 (ULEV2) requirements that will come into force in the year 2005. Compared to today's Saab engines with equivalent performance, this will almost halve the carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon emissions, and will cut the nitrogen oxide emissions by 75 percent.

Three main components of the SCC concept
The SCC system is based on a combination of direct injection of petrol (gasoline), variable valve timing and variable spark gap. Unlike the direct injection systems available on the market today, the SCC system puts to use the benefits of direct injection, but without disturbing the ideal air-to-fuel ratio (14.6:1 = lambda 1) necessary for a conventional three-way catalytic converter to perform satisfactorily.

The most important components of the SCC system are:

    * Air-assisted fuel injection with turbulence generator
      The injector unit and spark plug are integrated into one unit known as the spark plug injector (SPI).
      The fuel is injected directly into the cylinder by means of compressed air. Immediately before the fuel is ignited, a brief blast of air creates turbulence in the cylinder, which assists combustion and shortens the combustion time.
    * Variable valve timing
      The SCC system uses camshafts with variable cams to enable the opening and closing of the inlet and exhaust valves to be steplessly varied. This allows exhaust gases to be mixed into the combustion air in the cylinder, which puts to use the benefits of direct injection while maintaining the value of lambda at 1 under almost all operating conditions. Up to 70 percent of the cylinder contents during combustion consist of exhaust gases. The exact proportion depends on the prevailing operating conditions.
    * Variable spark plug gap with high spark energy
      The spark plug gap is variable between 1 and 3.5 mm. The spark is struck from a central electrode in the spark plug injector either to a fixed earth electrode at a distance of 3.5 mm or to an earth electrode on the piston. The variable spark gap together with a high spark firing energy (80 mJ) is essential for igniting an air/fuel mixture that is so highly diluted with exhaust gases.

Catalyst still most important emission control element
The three-way catalytic converter is still the most important single exhaust emission control component. During normal operation, it will catalyse up to 99 percent of the harmful chemical compounds in the exhaust gases.

The inside of the catalytic converter consists of a perforated core, the walls of which are coated with a precious metal catalyst (platinum and rhodium). The total area of the catalyst is equivalent to the area of three football pitches. The precious metal coating traps carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the exhaust gases and enables these substances to react with one another so that the end product will be carbon dioxide (CO2), water (H2O) and nitrogen (N2).

Weaknesses of catalytic converter
Although it is highly effective in neutralizing the harmful substances in the exhaust gases, the catalytic converter suffers certain limitations. For the three-way catalyst to be fully effective, its temperature must be around 400°C. So the catalyst has no emission control effect immediately after the engine has been started from cold (the concept of 'starting from cold' is not related to the weather conditions or the ambient temperature, but in this context denotes all starting circumstances in which the engine coolant temperature is below 85°C).

Moreover, the proportion of free oxygen in the exhaust gases must be kept constant. The amount of oxygen, in turn, is decided by the air/fuel ratio in the cylinder during combustion. The ideal ratio is 1 part of fuel to 14.6 parts of air (i.e. lambda = 1). If the mixture is richer, i.e. if the proportion of fuel is higher, the emissions of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrocarbons (HC) will increase. If the mixture is leaner, i.e. if the amount of fuel is lower, the nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions will increase.

The catalytic converter has no influence on the carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, which are directly proportional to the fuel consumption. The greater the amount of fuel used, the higher the carbon dioxide emissions.

Much of the work of designing less polluting petrol engines therefore has two objectives - to achieve the lowest possible fuel consumption, and to ensure that the catalyst is at optimum working conditions during most of the operating time. These are the guidelines that have been followed in the development of the SCC system.

Conventional direct injection for lower fuel consumption...
In an engine with a conventional injection system, the petrol is injected into the intake manifold, where it is mixed with the combustion air and is drawn into the cylinder. But part of the petrol is deposited on the sides of the intake manifold, and extra fuel must then be injected, particularly when the engine is started from cold, to ensure that the necessary amount of fuel will reach the cylinder.

Direct injection of petrol was launched a few years ago by some carmakers as a way of lowering the fuel consumption. Since petrol is injected directly into the cylinder, the fuel consumption can be controlled more accurately, and the amount of fuel injected is only that necessary for each individual combustion process. In such cases, the entire cylinder is not filled with an ignitable mixture of fuel and air, and it is sufficient for the fuel/air mixture nearest to the spark plug to be ignitable. The remainder of the cylinder is filled with air.

...but higher nitrogen oxide emissions
This leaner fuel/air mixture results in lower fuel consumption under certain operating conditions, but makes it impossible to use a conventional three-way catalytic converter to neutralize the nitrogen oxide emissions. A special catalytic converter with a 'nitrogen oxide trap' must be used instead.

Compared to conventional three-way catalytic converters, these special converters suffer a number of major disadvantages. In the first place, they are more expensive to produce, since they have higher contents of precious metals. Moreover, they are more temperature-sensitive and need cooling when under heavy load, which is usually done by injecting extra fuel into the engine. The nitrogen oxide trap must also be regenerated when full, i.e. the nitrogen oxide stored must be removed, which is done by the engine being run briefly on a richer fuel/air mixture. Both cooling and regeneration have a significant effect on the fuel consumption.

In addition, special catalytic converters of this type are sensitive to sulphur, and the engine must therefore be run on fuel with extremely low sulphur content. The petrol desulphurizing process causes higher carbon dioxide emissions from the refinery.

Direct injection and lambda 1 with SCC
In evolving the SCC system, Saab engineers have developed a way of putting to use the benefits of direct injection, while still maintaining lambda 1. Compressed air is used to inject the fuel directly into the cylinder through the spark plug injector. However, unlike other direct injection systems, the cylinder is still supplied with only a sufficient amount of air to achieve lambda 1. The remainder of the cylinder is filled with exhaust gases from the previous combustion process.

The benefit of using exhaust gases instead of air for making up the cylinder fill is that the exhaust gases are inert. They add no oxygen to the combustion process, and they therefore do not affect the lambda 1 ratio. So the SCC system does not need a special catalytic converter and performs well with a conventional three-way catalyst. Moreover, the exhaust gases are very hot, and they therefore occupy a large volume, while also providing a beneficial supply of heat to the combustion process.

Reduced pumping losses for lower fuel consumption
At the same time, the SCC system contributes towards minimizing the pumping losses. These normally occur when the engine is running at low load and the throttle is not fully open. The piston in the cylinder then operates under a partial vacuum during the suction stroke in order to draw in the air. The principle is roughly the same as when you pull out a cycle pump plunger while shutting off the air opening with your thumb. The extra energy needed for pulling down the piston causes increased fuel consumption.

In an SCC engine, the cylinder is supplied with only the amount of fuel and air needed for the operating conditions at any particular time. The remainder of the cylinder is filled with inert exhaust gases. The pumping losses are reduced since the engine need not draw in more air than that necessary for achieving lambda 1.

Different sparks for different operating conditions
The fuel/air mixture in the cylinders of a car with an SCC system consists mainly of exhaust gases and air. The exhaust gases account for 60 - 70 percent of the combustion chamber volume, while 29 - 39 percent is air, and less than 1 percent is occupied by the petrol. The exact relationships depend on the prevailing operating conditions. As a general rule, a higher proportion of exhaust gases is used when the engine is running at low load, and a lower proportion when it is running at high load.

An ignition system that provides good spark firing quality is needed to ignite a gas mixture consisting of such a high proportion of exhaust gases and to ensure that the mixture will burn sufficiently quickly. A large amount of energy must be applied locally in the combustion chamber. In the SCC system, this is achieved by employing a variable spark gap and a high spark firing energy (80 mJ).

The spark gap is variable between 1 and 3.5 mm. At low load, the spark is fired from the central electrode in the spark plug injector to a fixed earth electrode at a distance of 3.5 mm. At high load, the spark is fired somewhat later, and the gas density in the combustion chamber is then too high for the spark to bridge a gap of 3.5 mm. A pin on the piston is then used instead as the earth electrode. Following the laws of physics, the spark will be struck to the electrode on the piston as soon as the gap is less than 3.5 mm.

SCC developed by Saab
The Saab Combustion Control system has been developed at the Saab Engine Development Department, which is also the Center of Expertise for the development of turbocharged petrol engines in the GM Group. The variable spark gap in the SCC system is a further development of the spark-to-piston concept that Saab unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show in 1995. In the air-assisted direct injection system, Saab engineers are cooperating with the Australian company Orbital.

The SCC system is a 'global' engine system, since it meets the demands in the U.S.A., where greatest emphasis is placed on limiting the nitrogen oxide and hydrocarbon emissions, and also those in Europe, where greater emphasis is placed on the carbon dioxide emissions. The SCC system will be launched in the next generation of Saab cars
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原文由 atomyou 在2009-12-16 23:25发表

从来就没看好过这个烂品牌,500万的C8,0-100都破不了4秒,还称自己为超跑……150万的GT-R都能灭它N次。

上次出名是1922年的一次比赛了,而那时C4的发动机都是迈巴赫的,而现在C8的发动机换成了奥迪的……

就这样一个没技术没品位的烂品牌,硬是摇身一变被人包装成了神车……还被一帮没文化的追捧。

唉,只让人想起来一种动物,草泥马~
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原文由 辘轳仙影 在2009-12-16 22:45发表

屎橛本来就不是好鸟,到F1里玩了1年也是捣乱。很烦它们的东西,中文译名也是白痴给起的。

Saab没什么技术,北京汽车更没技术,可说是技术完全空白,完全是组装厂一个。有点儿是点儿吧。反正就是一帮穷哥们绑一块穷横,互相壮壮胆。


从来就没看好过这个烂品牌,500万的C8,0-100都破不了4秒,还称自己为超跑……150万的GT-R都能灭它N次。

上次出名是1922年的一次比赛了,而那时C4的发动机都是迈巴赫的。

就这样一个没技术没品位的烂品牌,硬是摇身一变被人包装成了神车……还被一帮没文化的追捧。

唉,只让人想起来一种动物,草泥马~
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原文由 Zippo 在2009-12-16 22:38发表
世爵也不是什么好鸟,人家一买点东西,他就跑出来叫:那家伙买的不是好东西,好东西还在我这里呢。

SAAB有什么变速器技术?他们用AISIN的AT箱。


屎橛本来就不是好鸟,到F1里玩了1年也是捣乱。很烦它们的东西,中文译名也是白痴给起的。

Saab没什么技术,北京汽车更没技术,可说是技术完全空白,完全是组装厂一个。有点儿是点儿吧。反正就是一帮穷哥们绑一块穷横,互相壮壮胆。
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世爵也不是什么好鸟,人家一买点东西,他就跑出来叫:那家伙买的不是好东西,好东西还在我这里呢。

SAAB有什么变速器技术?他们用AISIN的AT箱。
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这不稀奇,前几家也一样。
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