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要是23/1.4能做成饼干就好了!
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RX9X 发表于 2015-03-15 12:37
23/1.4对焦速度比14/2.8慢不少

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愤怒的玫瑰 发表于 2015-3-15 20:43
辛苦了,兔兄~~~~~~

个人感觉16-55怎么比23表现还好呀~~~~~~~

国外网站测试仅作参考吧
有23/1.4+16-55/2.8网友可全开测试一下
我有空用35/1.4收缩到2.8与16-55/2.8测试
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雪丁哥 发表于 2015-3-15 22:03
并不十分严谨的对比,不过有个现象很有趣,全幅原像素对比apsc扩像素到2400万的xtrans,竟然iso3200时,所谓的最新全幅A7MII花盆部位脏兮兮、斑斓澜的索尼酱油特征!!!黑科技果真要来点黑胡椒粉装饰。


索尼A7系列相机,屎黄出片倾向比较严重
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并不十分严谨的对比,不过有个现象很有趣,全幅原像素对比apsc扩像素到2400万的xtrans,竟然iso3200时,所谓的最新全幅A7MII花盆部位脏兮兮、斑斓澜的索尼酱油特征!!!黑科技果真要来点黑胡椒粉装饰。

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800美刀的索尼定焦被你叫成狗头?呵呵呵,你的脑袋缺氧很严重,高压氧舱都未必能治疗。人家索尼是当驴定卖的。

再说,人家也没讲干不过啊?你不识字,这还是源于脑缺氧。

RX9X 发表于 2015-3-15 21:15
惨幅机配牛头,也干不过全幅配狗头。。。


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RX9X 发表于 2015-3-15 21:15
惨幅机配牛头,也干不过全幅配狗头。。。
M大师,消停点吧
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RX9X 发表于 2015-3-15 21:15
惨幅机配牛头,也干不过全幅配狗头。。。
这也就解释了你为什么这么贱。
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笨笨小兔子 发表于 2015-3-15 10:08
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富士16-55对比索尼A7M-II 35mm定(Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 lens)
原来《Fuji X-T1 16-55mm zoom compared to Sony A7 Mk II 35mm prime》
http://www_soundimageplus_com/soundimageplus/2015/3/9/fuji-x-t1-16-55mm-zoom-compared-to-sony-a7-mk-ii-35mm

-prime

Above are just two comparisons from a whole series of test I shot. To take account of the extra pixels of the Sony I upsized the Fuji OOC jpgs. to the same size. 6000 x 4000 pixels. Completely contrary to my expectations, the Fuji / Zoom combination turned in a better looking file than the Sony at f/2.8 and ISO 200, even after the upsizing and the Sony A7 Mk II / prime combination turned in a slightly better performance than the Fuji at f/2.8 and ISO 3200. ?????

I'm sure like me that you would have expected the opposite. Now I was skeptical of my results and did the test again, just to make sure. Same result. It was also similar at other apertures.

Now I write often about how the differences between camera are seriously ex ...


惨幅机配牛头,也干不过全幅配狗头。。。
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愤怒的玫瑰 发表于 2015-3-15 20:43
辛苦了,兔兄~~~~~~

个人感觉16-55怎么比23表现还好呀~~~~~~~


边角那张跟23的差距很明显啊
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辛苦了,兔兄~~~~~~

个人感觉16-55怎么比23表现还好呀~~~~~~~
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笨笨小兔子 发表于 2015-3-15 17:30
唐兄,与23/1.4和14/2.8对焦对比如何?我忘记了


23/1.4对焦速度比14/2.8慢不少
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johtang 发表于 2015-3-15 17:17
今天去星光展示中心去试了试,单从对焦速度来说,不太令人满意,目前除1655外均可借用,上海的摄友可以去看看!

唐兄,与23/1.4和14/2.8对焦对比如何?我忘记了
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今天去星光展示中心去试了试,单从对焦速度来说,不太令人满意,目前除1655外均可借用,上海的摄友可以去看看!
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1655还是一只很全面的头,数据和实拍都很出彩的~

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富士16-55对比索尼A7M-II 35mm定(Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 lens)

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富士16-55对比索尼A7M-II 35mm定(Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 lens)
原来《Fuji X-T1 16-55mm zoom compared to Sony A7 Mk II 35mm prime》
http://www_soundimageplus_com/soundimageplus/2015/3/9/fuji-x-t1-16-55mm-zoom-compared-to-sony-a7-mk-ii-35mm

-prime

Above are just two comparisons from a whole series of test I shot. To take account of the extra pixels of the Sony I upsized the Fuji OOC jpgs. to the same size. 6000 x 4000 pixels. Completely contrary to my expectations, the Fuji / Zoom combination turned in a better looking file than the Sony at f/2.8 and ISO 200, even after the upsizing and the Sony A7 Mk II / prime combination turned in a slightly better performance than the Fuji at f/2.8 and ISO 3200. ?????

I'm sure like me that you would have expected the opposite. Now I was skeptical of my results and did the test again, just to make sure. Same result. It was also similar at other apertures.

Now I write often about how the differences between camera are seriously exaggerated and this just proves it again. So some of the assumptions that we make are not necessarily the case. Primes are better than zooms is one of them, well not in this case.

The major surprise for me is that the Fuji jpgs. were so good. However, part of the 'problem' with the X-Trans sensor is the rendition of small-scale detail in the distance, so these close up shots won't exhibit that. Even so, I think it's a really interesting result and goes some way to demonstrating that the differences between camera / lens combinations and even different sized sensors are nowhere near as significant as people make out. Of course shooting raw and different processing would make some difference, but then if I 'developed' both in Iridient Developer and got the best out of the Fuji then I doubt there would be much difference there either.

Interesting also, that follows a couple of days when, just to see what they were like, I've been upsizing my Leica T files to 36MP. No, they are not as sharp as the files from my Sony A7r, but viewed on their own, they are perfectly capable of being significantly enlarged. This was something I was aware of some years ago when several of my 4MP Olympus E-10 files were printed A4 and looked great.

The fact is that we have had cameras that give us excellent printed images at A4 and A3 ever since we hit 12MP. Everything else that's followed that is really icing on the cake. handy for cropping certainly and should any of us want a print as large as a block of flats, then I guess we have the means to do it. But reading stuff on the photographic internet, you'd be forgiven for thinking that relatively minor increases in MP count or sensor size or lens resolution would make more difference than they actually do. Some of us work with those small margins and our commercial success (or otherwise) can often depend on the perception (rather than the reality) that size actually matters more than it does. And certainly the belief that a Zeiss badged prime in front of a 'Full Frame' sensor would perform better than a zoom in front of an APS-C sized sensor would be quite commonplace.

We do of course have to consider the fact that the A7 Mk II seems to have a pretty strong AA filter in place. But then so do the majority of Professional grade DSLR's. The Nikon 810 and the upcoming Canon offer AA free options, but then those cunning camera manufacturers go and do the same thing with software anyway. As I often write, one of the most important ways of influencing image quality is careful processing anyway. And despite my occasional flirtations with OOC jpgs. (mainly because of time constraints) I still believe that shooting raw and working out the best way to process those files for every camera / sensor / lens combination is the way to go. And we are literally spoiled for choice these days. There are a LOT of cameras and lenses that can deliver top quality results available these days and the probability is that our decisions as to what camera and / or lens to buy depends on many factors these days, because we can almost take good image quality as read.

Now whether I'd have got such a close result shooting lots of green foliage outdoors with the Fuji, who knows, I may well try it some time, but for all practical purposes and for most photographic situations, the decision as to which of these combinations to buy is very much 'You pays your money etc.....' Depending on where you shop, the prices for these two camera combinations are pretty close these days anyway, so it's not a case of saving any money. So it really is a case of pick whichever suits you best. I have to say though that for me that Fuji 16-55mm zoom looks better and better the longer I have it. But then that's just my preference. Yours is probably somewhat different.
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我是游民 发表于 2015-3-15 09:51
辛苦了,兔兄!


我不辛苦,我喜欢器材,也就这点点爱好了,随便拍拍照娱乐高兴。

对富士XF镜头很有兴趣,总体上很好!
这个国外网友很有意思,啥都要对比一下,哈哈,

当然全幅与apsc画幅对比仅仅作为参考吧,不是一样的像素+不是一样的像场

富士16-55对比索尼A7M-II 35mm定(Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 lens)
原来《Fuji X-T1 16-55mm zoom compared to Sony A7 Mk II 35mm prime》
http://www_soundimageplus_com/soundimageplus/2015/3/9/fuji-x-t1-16-55mm-zoom-compared-to-sony-a7-mk-ii-35mm-prime
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辛苦了,兔兄!
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无忌E文良好的网友给简单翻译一下,呵呵

我的XF16-55 2.8镜皇还算不错啊
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网速很慢很慢(March 03, 2015 David Hughes)
原始标题:《Fuji XF 16-55mm F2.8 R LM WR Fujinon zoom lens review - as good as a prime? Comparison with 23mm f/1.4.》
网址:http://www_soundimageplus_com/soundimageplus/2015/3/3/fuji-xf-16-55mm-f28-r-lm-wr-fujinon-zoom-lens-review-as-good-as-a-prime-comparison-with-23mm-f14
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I thought it would be interesting to see how the Fuji XF 16-55mm f2.8 R LM WR Fujinon zoom lens compares to the Fuji XF 23mmmm f1.4 Fujinon prime lens, for me the sharpest lens in the Fuji range. So I shot a set of comparisons, ISO 200 both at f/2.8 and above is the result of one of these. At this aperture the zoom is probably at it's worst and the prime getting close to it's best. As you can see it's very close. At severe pixel peeping the 23mm may just shade it, particularly in the corner comparison, but for a zoom it's a pretty good result.

I've been very fulsome in my praise of the 16-55mm f/2.8 and I thought it would be nice to back this up with an example. This is a lens I bought to review and sell on, but it's going to hard to get it out the door I suspect. It might also be a problem for my other Fuji lenses as I don't see them getting much use in the near future!! These f/2.8 pro spec zooms are supposed to be good and the Fuji example proves that. I've used the 18-55mm f/2.8-4 extensively in the past and it's a good lens, but it did always go a bit soft in the corners.

The 16-55mm is a step on from that as well as being wider and faster. (Oh and double the price!!) It is a very fine lens and because of what it offers I would go so far as to say, for me, it's Fuji's best lens. I'm not the only one to mention this, but those wedding photographers who have 'gone Fuji' are going to absolutely love this and probably use it as their primary lens. Add in the fact that it's a wider range than most of the 'FF' 24-70mm's and you have a VERY useful lens that covers everything from wide-angle to a very handy portrait lens. It's early in the year but this is definitely in the lead for Soundimageplus lens of the year and if it was released last year it would have won for 2014.

Once again I'm very impressed. Now I wonder how it would look on that X-Pro 2 with a 24MP sensor??

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相关对比测试:《XF16-55 对比 xf18-55》
https://forum.xitek.com/thread-1420262-1-1-1.html

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