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富士基于SUPER CCD4的DC出来也有好几个月了,目前CANON,NIKON新款DSLR风雨欲来,个人认为S2目前已经降到了价格底线附近,是出S3的时候了。基于富士S1 S2的优异表现,我对S3充满了期望,最好在S2基础上有以下改变:

1、焦距系数<1.5
2、机身采取金属制作,最好是基于F100
3、电池只用4节AA
4、可扩充手柄,兼备竖拍按钮
5、增加负片模式和反转片模式,模拟负片和反转片的特点进行拍摄
6、价格<20000

s3,我期待你的出现【最好快点,忍了1年,已经忍不住马上就要出手S2了】
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希望S3插值能到2千万象素那就太好了。我喜欢象素高的
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当然要买了,只要s2能够满足你的需要,s3出来肯定是会很贵的,等到要性价比合适了,要一段时间的
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各位兄弟,到底我要不要买S2??现在14000,水货!
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老大,说起10D的虚焦问题我心里还是打鼓啊!一个字玄。还有就是少个点测,总觉得不是个事儿,哎。

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楼下的说的对,别等了,有需要就上。
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偶起初的限度和你一样,还是别等了,不是办法~今天偶已抱走10D....已经停产了,要就得抓紧啊~_~
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14N 是基于 F80 平台,将塑料机身改为金属机身。
快门,对焦,电脑板等都是 F80 的。和 F100 没有任何关系。

从个人感觉上来看,我也同样觉得它基本就是 F80,但 Kodak 官方声称是结合 F80 与 F100 开发的。并且在 Steves 和 dpreview 都有指出相关内容。
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看来S3年底是等不到了,极度郁闷,只有选10D了。
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楼下:14N 是基于 F80 和 F100 的设计思路重新自主开发的机身。没有使用 F5 机身也是 14N 常常受指责的原因之一。

14N 是基于 F80 平台,将塑料机身改为金属机身。
快门,对焦,电脑板等都是 F80 的。和 F100 没有任何关系。
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想法虽好,实现也很难,首先是希望它出还是不出,如果除了,不符上述标准,象温吞水一样,岂不更失望?等到头发也白了......
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一斤

偶的心情与你简直一模一样,等了N久了.....春季才来的话是肯定等不了的了.情况也不允许我再等.另外我的对代理的理解基本上按广州俗话来说就是:代理的话靠的住,母猪也懂上树
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基于本人来说,望梅止渴就适可而止了,但画饼充饥就万万不可。
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有副食代理透露明年夏天S3上市, 所以春天PMA发布S3应该算不出所料

有消息说 3d 的报道从来没错过。所以,我看大家可以相信这个观点。

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楼下:14N 是基于 F80 和 F100 的设计思路重新自主开发的机身。没有使用 F5 机身也是 14N 常常受指责的原因之一。

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说了半天14N,到底14n是基于N哪款机身做的?
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注册:2003年06月  哎,前几天得到FUJI比较可靠的消息,大家口中的S3还没开始开发......所以偶才决定不再等待马上上10D/D100的

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不会是跟富士的代理商问的吧?北京有一家富士施乐公司,专门做富士产品,我问他们一个经理,S2行货卖多少钱,这个可爱的家伙居然问我S2是什么东西?!
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尼康口,4/3片幅不是不可能!!
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那就和14N差不多贵了。
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有副食代理透露明年夏天S3上市, 所以春天PMA发布S3应该算不出所料
现在的S3, Kodak 14N都和D100, D1系列都在定位上有所不同, 应该不算正面冲突, 但如果FUJI拿到
F100机身, 加上SuperCCD...
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哎,前几天得到FUJI比较可靠的消息,大家口中的S3还没开始开发......所以偶才决定不再等待马上上10D/D100的
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严重期待。。唉尼康与富士的脚步太慢了点
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有消息说明年三月 PMA 大会,FUJI公司将正式推出S3 PRO!

呵呵,要是S3是全副的,1DS和14N肯定马上降价!^_^
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我想,是否有可能插值到2000w象素呢???
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还有尼康下以个低价单反数码叫“d10”。
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6、工程塑料机壳是可能的,不然价格下不来。

————以现在的制造工艺水平,金属外壳的造价并不高,象EOS10D就是金属机身
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是这个吗?

[2003-09-28 20:58 补充如下]

What I Want in a Fujifilm S3 Pro

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It's time that users start directing camera engineering.

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Fujifilm's recent announcement of a 20 megapixel large format CCD has caused a number of digital camera forum posters to salivate over the possibilities of that technology making it down to the next generation Fujifilm SLR. Okay, I'll take extra resolution (assuming I don't lose anything else in image quality characteristics). But frankly, more resolution is not the first thing I'd request. With the rapid product cycles the camera manufacturers are experiencing, so many other things just aren't getting done, and I think it's time that we users stand up and be heard about what we want and need in our cameras.

Assuming that Fujifilm sticks with the N80 body as the basis of the next camera (one could wish for an F100 or F5-based body, but that opens up even more engineering issues--let's stick with what we have an request improvements!), here's a few of the things I'd like to see in the S3 Pro:

A rechargeable lithium main battery. It's okay if Fujifilm sticks with the current two-battery design, but only if they fix the primary battery power issue: NiMH AA batteries barely get it done, as the power curve on NiMH tends to let the camera eventually droop into a zone where the S2 Pro gets a bit unpredictable and unreliable (e.g., it lets you take the shot, but then posts ERR when it fails to find enough power to write it to the card). Easy fix: engineer a rechargeable lithium battery that's the size of the current tray, and a matching charger for the new battery. (It's easy because Fujifilm doesn't even have to do the engineering--there are plenty of outsource choices that could do this, leaving Fujifilm's engineering team to deal with the other issues.)
Fix the histogram display. Can anyone really tell where the histogram ends and the borders begin? I can't. And that means that you can't maximize the dynamic range of the camera without potentially blowing out the highlights. Fujifilm needs to look at how Nikon (or Kodak with the upcoming DCS Pro 14n) have implemented this function. While they're at it, I'd like an explanation about why values are limited to 252,252,252 and whether the edge of the histogram reflects 252,252,252 or 255,255,255. And since we're updating this display, an optional Highlights function that shows any area that has values beyond 250 would be nice.
Toughen up the chassis under the mirror box and check the focus sensor positions carefully. Nikon's autofocus sensors live at the bottom of the mirror box, looking up at the partially silvered mirror. They are incredibly sensitive to positioning, and any misplacement or movement on their part tends to produce back focus or front focus or just plain misfocus. I've seen enough S2 Pros with slight focus problems to wonder about the rigidity of the structure holding the autofocus sensors (perhaps they're even moving due to changes in materials due to temperature variations). Moreover, the only other Nikon bodies to ever show this kind of problem all have one thing in common: there's a built-in battery compartment underneath the main body (e.g., I've never heard of an N80 that experiences this issue, but the Nikon D1 models most certainly have it). I haven't had any focusing problems on my S2 Pro (nor the prototype I used for several months), but it can't hurt to over-engineer this section and tighten alignment procedures.
Fix the compact flash issues. We've got a whole bunch of minor problems here, and they all are software related. First, we have REVIEW/POSTVIEW issues. Every other DSLR competitor can write images to storage while displaying them on the LCD, so it's time Fujifilm catches up. There are actually a whole lot of subtle things that could be done to improve this aspect of the S2 Pro; off the top of my head I can think of a half-dozen variants Fujifilm hasn't tried, almost any of which would be better than what they used. Then we have the folder mess. If you look at how Kodak has implemented folders, it's a heap better than Fujifilm (or even Nikon) have managed. Apparently, "branding" the folder on the camera is more important than giving the user flexibility. (As an aside, in-camera software designed in the US, primarily by Kodak and HP, tends to be better organized, more logical, more flexible, clearer in intent, and better thought out than anything I've seen from the Japanese companies. I think is partly due to the way software is designed in the US, with product managers and other non-engineers playing key roles in design decisions. It's also partly because the Japanese companies just constantly engineer products rather than design them--their software is much more tactical than strategic.) Next, the Fuji S2 Pro seems to have troubles with standard memory-based CompactFlash cards. Indeed, the manual makes no mention of any CompactFlash storage except for Microdrives. There's something inherently wrong when the mechanical Microdrive posts faster saves than do memory-based standard cards. Further, not all memory-based CompactFlash seems to work well in the S2 Pro. Fujifilm needs to work with the memory-based manufacturers and get the S3 Pro up to snuff in this respect. Also, support for 32-bit FAT formatted cards is going to be necessary going forward, so let's add that to the list.
Let the camera go active. When the camera goes inactive, only pressing the shutter release allows the camera to come back to the active state. That means that you have to press the shutter release partway before pressing the Play, Func, or Menu buttons, which is an inconvenience at best and certainly not what the user expects. Let those three buttons reactivate the camera, too. This is an area where the N80 body is a bit of a problem, as it has no external 10-pin connector, and thus no obvious place from which to trigger reactivation (putting voltage on one of those pins activates the F100, for example). Still, I'm betting that there's an internal bus that can be linked, especially since Kodak and Nikon have both implemented the 10-pin connector on their N80-based bodies.
Give us some balance. White balance options with the S2 Pro are a mixed bunch. It's nice that we have two options for custom balances and multiple options for fluorescent lighting. But for virtually every other situation we have little flexibility at all, and some slightly questionable color temperatures on top of that. The daylight color temp is a little high, the flash a little low. And, unfortunately, we have no way to correct those things (note that daylight varies with locale, with Japan's Northern location producing a different daylight color temperature than, say, the Galapagos Islands on the equator). Nikon allows us to run variants on all their white balance settings, and Fujifilm needs to do the same.
If it's not full frame, modify the viewfinder. One look through an S2 Pro then a Nikon D100 and you'll see some immediate differences. I really don't like the big gap between the picture viewing and viewfinder information area (due to the 1.5x crop and no change in the viewfinder), so perhaps a "sports finder" (ala the Sigma SD9) would be one useful compromise and quite simple to implement.
Talk to Hoodman. The silly plastic color LCD cover just simply doesn't cut it; give me something better, such as Hoodman did for the D1. We need LCD protection that doesn't have to be removed to evaluate an image, especially given the vulnerable location of the color LCD on the Fujifilm bodies.
Get in or out of the software business. Both the Finepix Viewer and the Raw Converter Software have very amatuerish designs that get in the way of the few things that each product does. One imagines these tools being slapped together to fit some marketing requirement rather than being designed to fit users specific purposes. We've yet to see a really good digital workflow product from a camera manufacturer (or even a third party, for that matter), though Kodak is getting closer and closer and Nikon is giving an earnest effort that shows promise. Doing software in pieces isn't the way to make users happy or provide optimum performance (and what's with Japanese engineers and Macintosh software? Didn't they get their copy of the Macintosh Interface Guidelines?). It almost makes me want to get back in the software business and design a real user-oriented product that understands that you want to edit camera settings and data on the desktop, upload them to the camera, control the camera while connected, then download and organize and render the images properly (and all of this with as little user intervention as possible). My suggestion to Fujifilm: work with some real software design gurus (hey, I'm for hire ;~) and design a real product, then engineer it for performance and integration into other existing software. Hey, if Fujifilm has to sell the full thing to users in order to fund the development, I'll be one to say that paying $149 for a really good piece of software isn't an issue if the alternative is to get a free piece that I'll be constantly fighting.
Get with the IPTC. I like what Kodak's doing with the DSC Pro 14n: essentially you enter IPTC information in the Kodak Desktop software, connect your camera, and upload information that will be written to every file in the appropriate IPTC fields. This pre-captioning ability is more than a nice touch, it's a godsend for studio workflows and not bad for those of us who shoot outdoors, either. Even if you don't use the caption fields, you can still get your Copyright and contact information onto every shot in a standardized way. Add a method of field override/editing and I'm a very happy camper.
Lest anyone think I'm saying that the S2 Pro isn't a great camera by all these criticisms, relax, I like my S2 Pro just fine. There's a lot to like about what Fujifilm has produced, and it simply makes all these little nags look like rough edges on a diamond that hasn't been fully polished. Indeed, except for last two, which may require some internal software reorganization and thus take some time, there's no reason why Fujifilm couldn't produce an S2 Pro Plus with all the other changes by fall 2003, extending the S2 Pro's life a bit.

After getting some feedback from others reading this article, here's a couple more things:

Temper the mirror. For long telephoto and macro use, the current shutter is a bit too vibration-inducing at shutter speeds from about 1/4 to 1/30. Nikon figured out how to include an anti-shock mirror mode on the D100, so I'll add that to my Fujifilm wishlist.
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1、既然是4/3联盟,再出焦距系数=1.5 的尼康口dslr是不可能的!
2、全幅是不可能的!没有4m米是下不来,fuji不是全幅的簇拥。
3、4/3标准的卡口是可能的!
4、用superccd sr像素1200m是100%可能的!
5、价格<20000 是可能的!
6、工程塑料机壳是可能的,不然价格下不来。
7、外形类似e-1

以上是最权威分析!
http://www_digit_no/Nyheter/Diverse/aprilsnarr_2003.htm

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希望S3pro是全幅的(能使尼康镜头用其极),用一种电池,最好有遥控器......
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到今天仍毫无动静,只好耐心等啦。

[2003-09-28 16:10 补充如下]

我认为什么机身无所谓,80也好,75也行,F100更好,希望800万像素,电池:锂电。1.5X也不是问题。要求不高啊,只是希望早日发布,毕竟是S2的后续机型。
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