周末无事，拆开一个金钟PH273QL把玩一下，长点见识。

[2003-12-26 16:54 补充如下]

提一个问题,谁能证明无忌网上卖的GIOTTOS 和在美国B&H上卖的GIOTTOS是同一款产品呢???

绿豆兄的说法是对GIOTTOS产品不了解而已。GIOTTOS哪里是无名小辈，早在上个世纪，就已是大名鼎鼎的欧美畅销产品了！

什么是高、中、低档球台？类似BOGEN（曼福图）486RC这样只要US$58的产品当然是低档的（国内也基本上是这个价格）；类似GIOTTOS MH1000+MH200这样总价格接近US$150的产品（几乎是M486RC的三倍！！！）当然是中档产品；而ARCA SWISS售价高达US$400，当然是高档产品（连美国人都觉得贵）。
上面提到的价格在以下销售网站都可以轻易查到：（ http://www_bhphotovideo_com/ ）、（ http://www_hpmarketingcorp_com/ ）（ http://ww1_onecall_com/ ）、（ http://www_camerasbrookwood_com/ ）、（ http://photofilter_net/ ）、（ http://www_teamworkphoto_co_uk/ ）

美国最知名的PHOTO_NET网站有自上个世纪延伸到这个世纪大量关于GIOTTOS球台的讨论，评价很高！这里链接一部分内容（后面的中文翻译是我做的）：
http://www_photo_net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000NpC

“Giottos

Chuck Bettis , feb 13, 1999; 11:52 p.m.
I'm seeing a fair amount of advertising lately for Giottos ball heads. Also, I believe that Mike Kirk is carrying them with their modifications. Has anyone had any actual hands-on field use with these ball heads, especially the heavy duty ones?
我近来看见关于GIOTTOS球台大量的漂亮广告。同时，我相信Mike Kirk正在出售GIOTTOS的改进产品。是否有人实际地亲手现场使用过这些球台，尤其是那些承载较大的型号？

Answers（回答）
Karl Juul , feb 14, 1999; 07:27 a.m.
I ordered the one that B&H sells for $109 (model 1000, I think). I was looking for a more affordable alternative to the Arca B1 (as is everyone, it seems). The head was nicely machined and solid, but didn't have a really good "feel" to it and most importantly, didn't have the Arca's progressive damping. That feature of the Arca appears to be patented which explains why other large, fairly expensive ballheads lack it.
If you want a good serviceable alternative to a Bogen, the Giotto will be great. Just don't expect it to replace an Arca at one-third the price.
我在B&H订购了一款价格109美金（型号是MH1000，我想）。我期望它相对Arca B1价钱更负担得起（这好像对于多数人都是这样）。这个云台是精密的机械制造和相当坚固可靠，但没有真正的好“感觉”，主要是没有ACAR的渐进阻尼。其他任何大型的、相当昂贵的球台缺乏此功能的原因，因为ACAR的这一特征有专利。
如果你想相对Bogen（Bogen就是曼福图的美国注册品牌——译者注）买到更加优秀耐用的，GIOTTOS是伟大的（原文如此）。不过不要指望其1/3的价格能够取代Arca。
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Paul Wilson , feb 14, 1999; 12:04 p.m.
Kirk has started carrying the modified Giottos in place of Kaiser. I got the smallest one from Kirk for my girlfriend. It survived a 2 week trip to Utah unscathed and generally worked very well.
As Karl says, it won't replace an Arca at a 3rd of the price. However, it may well replace a Linhof at a fair savings. Construction and design are very similar to the Linhof. I've taken apart a Linhof Profi II before and was rather unimpressed, at least for the price.
Kirk已经开始出售改进的GIOTTOS代替Kaiser。我为我的朋友从Kirk购买了一款最小的。它随我经历了2周在犹他州的旅行没有损伤，一直工作非常良好。
正如Karl所说，他不能以1/3的价钱取代Arca。然而，它能很好地取代LINHOF而省一大笔钱。构造和设计非常类似LINHOF，我已经拆开一个LINHOF Profi II 和没有特别的印象，至少在价格上。
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Bob Larkin , feb 14, 1999; 10:22 p.m.
I recently purchased the Giottos MH1000 from B&H, they show it as the smaller of the "large" models in their ad. There is definitely no way it will replace an Arca-Swiss. It does, however seem to be about the best in its price range. It has solid construction, locks down well, and can be very easily fitted with a RRS or Kirk quick release. I would consider it much better than similarly priced Bogen or Slik models and probably at least as good as the Kaiser.
最近我在B&H购买了一款MH1000，它看起来比广告上的更小。它绝不能取代Arca-Swiss。但无论如何，它确实是在这个价格范围内最好的，他非常容易适合RRS或者Kirk的快装板。我认为它比同样价格的Bogen或者Slik产品更加优秀，几乎至少和Kaiser一样好。
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Glen Johnson  , feb 21, 1999; 02:22 p.m.
I bought several Giottos light stands a couple of years ago when they first appeared. After a relatively short time, I sent them back. They looked very good.... but they weren't well constructed at all. I would be real careful about buying any Giottos stuff, although Kirk is well thought of, and maybe after he's modified them they'd do OK. The only way to know for sure is to try one.
我买了几个GIOTTOS灯架在两年前他们刚出来的时候。在相当短时间后我退了。他们看起来很好，但是结构不够好。我将谨慎地购买任何GIOTTOS的产品，虽然Kirk有很好的看法，也许今后他们会改进产品以致做得很好。如果是那样，我将会去试着购买。
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Charles D. Miller , feb 21, 1999; 10:37 p.m.
I recently received a Giotto "MH-1001" from Kirk. I also use a Kaiser pro medium or a Kaiser pro large, also from Kirk. My overall impression is that the Kaiser ball actions are slightly smoother, but only slightly so. The panning action and tension knob seem slightly smoother on the Giotto. Overall, the Giotto works well and is a keeper, IMO.
我最近在Kirk买了一个GIOTTO MH1001。我也有一个Kaiser pro medium和一个Kaiser pro large，也是在在Kirk买的。我全部的印象是Kaiser的球台稍微圆滑，但仅仅稍微而已。
底盘的活动和张力旋钮似乎GIOTTOS的更加圆滑。总体上看，我认为GIOTTOS工作很好，是个好监护者。
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Ellis Vener , feb 22, 1999; 01:25 a.m.
Charles, Let us know if you still feel the same way in six months will you? My main tripod head is an Arca Swiss B1(qr) that I purchased used four or five years ago. I use it hard. It still works smoothly and reliably. This is why the A/S B1 is worth the money. I use it regularly with cameras from 35mm (lenses ranging 20mm to very occaisional 600mm f/4) to medium format (Pentax 67 and Fui GSW690) and large format: 4x5 and a custom 617 called a V-pan.)
Charles, 让我们知道是否你会在6个月后感觉同样好？我的主三脚架云台是Arca Swiss B1(qr)，购于4-5年前。我严酷地使用它，他仍然工作圆滑和可靠。这是Arca Swiss B1价值这么多钱的原因。我用他有规则地从35mm器材（镜头范围从20mm到很少见的600mm/F4）到中幅器材（Pentax 67和 Fui GSW690）和大幅器材（4x5 和一架定制的617叫做V-pan）
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Charles D. Miller , feb 23, 1999; 01:54 p.m.
Ellis,
I truly beleive the Arca Swiss is worth the money for many professional photographers. However, I am interested to know which Arca-Swiss ball head sells for under $100.

Charlie

Ellis，
我确实相信Arca Swiss对很多专业摄影师价值这么多钱。然而，我有兴趣知道，哪一款Arca Swiss的球台卖价低于100美金？
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Ellis Vener , feb 23, 1999; 03:02 p.m.
Charlie,I wasn't criticizing you or the Giotto! I really want to know how it is working down the line!
Charlie，我真的不想指责你或者GIOTTOS，我真的想知道他怎样完全工作？
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Tom Hammer , jun 22, 1999; 08:43 p.m.
I recently purchased a Giottos MH1000 from my local outfitter (Bear Images in Palo Alto, CA), though significantly cheaper than the B&H price quoted above. While its true the Giottos isn't as smooth or easy adjusting fine increments as an Arca-Swiss, this is a good affordable ballhead for us amateurs. I compared it to the Kaisers and was very impressed. When I compared it to the Linhoffs, I was still favorabley impressed. Still, if I were a pro or an amateur with a lot of dough, I'd probably buy the Arca-Swiss!
I have no idea how this ballhead will hold up, but I'll report back in six months and let you know. Between hiking around the mountains and whatever damage my toddler might inflict, I imagine it'll get a workout.
我最近购买了一台GIOTTOS MH1000从本地旅行用品商，价格比B&H的要便宜。虽然GIOTTOS不如Arca-Swiss那么圆滑和易于调节，可是对我们这些业余爱好者他是一款更容易承担得起的好产品。我把它与Kaisers比较后印象十分深刻。当我把它与LINHOF相比较，我仍然印象相当深刻。当然，如果我是一个职业人员或者是有大把钱的爱好者，我还是会买Arca-Swiss！
对于这个球台今后情况如何我没有概念，但是我将在六个月后传达报告给你们。不论是围绕山脉徒步旅行还是我的刚会走路的孩子可能造成的损坏，我想象它都会通过测验。
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Joseph Albert , jun 28, 1999; 10:08 p.m.
On the same subject, the Giotto MH-1000 has a mounting platform that unscrews and can be removed. You can purchase a mounting stud from Really Right Stuff to screw in, and then screw a quick release adapter on top. This will save you some money compared to buying one that Kirk Enterprises has modified in this way, and it is quite simple to do. The only tool that you might find helpful is an allen wrench as the RRS stud has a well on top so that it can be tighted with one.
在同一个题目，GIOTTOS MH1000有一个安装台可以旋转下来拿走。你可以从eally Right Stuff购买一个安装螺柱装上，然后在顶上安装一个快装板适配器。这样比你从Kirk企业购买一个改进的这样省一些钱，方法十分简单。唯一的工具只是一个通用扳手，就像RRS螺栓顶上有个井方便紧固。
You can attach a RRS quick-release clamp that is of the arca-swiss type and use RRS (or arca swiss) plates. the RRS plates generally have a little lip to catch the edge of a camera so the camera will not rotate on the mounting screw when the head is rotated for a vertical. For 6x6 cameras, or cameras with revolving backs, this won't matter of course.
你可以附上一个用于arca-swiss型的RRS快装板夹子和用RRS（或者arca-swiss）快装板。RRS快装板通常有一个小唇缘，截住相机的边缘，使得当镜头在垂直线上旋转时相机不会再安装螺丝上旋转。对于6x6相机，或者相机带旋转后背，这将不会发生。”

[FH419 编辑于 2004-02-20 10:47]

[2004-02-20 21:44 补充如下]http://shop_store_yahoo_com/ador/cat-tripods-tripod-heads-ball-heads.html

[2004-02-20 21:44 补充如下]

http://shop_store_yahoo_com/ador/cat-tripods-tripod-heads-ball-heads.html

低档的曼福图308RC，或者中档的GIOTTOS MH1000-200，还是高档的ARCA SWISS B1

这个说法也有点太那个了吧！！

ARCA SWISS B1是高档产品，我同意，曼富图308RC是低档产品，我也同意。但是在这样的标准下，把GIOTTOS MH1000-200当成中档产品，也真是太抬举这东西了吧？这样的标准下，GIOTTOS最多是无名小辈，把他排在曼富图之上，有点王婆之嫌。

[绿豆 编辑于 2004-02-19 18:00]

呵呵，用了一阵子，有了新的体会，我觉得PH273QL是一款非常好的云台！体积小、重量轻，而且相当稳固。锁紧了以后，我可以拿着快装板把整个脚架水平居起来而不会有滑动。

至于竖拍问题，把锁紧扳手拧松以后，云台便可以做水平方向的转动，这样一来，只要根据拍摄的情况，把那条槽调整到“前-后”或“左-右”方向，就能够实现竖拍或仰俯拍的任意角度拍摄了。

我是02年11月份买的这个球头，配用我的捷信1228。感觉一直不错，镁合金轻便，球头的转动也很顺手，快装板装卸十分方便。

但是。。。世界上怕就怕但是二字。 我十天前上了Kirk BH－3球头。

东西就怕比。。这个球头和Kirk的一比，只有两个字能概括：垃圾。Kirk球头转动时的油润和柔柔的手感，和金钟的生涩对比强烈。真的是不比不知道啊。就像一个一辈子都在用海鸥DF－1的人，他本来很满足，可是突然给了他一架F5。。。。

快闪，砖头来了

273QLKirk BH-3[tonyuk 编辑于 2004-02-19 09:47]

只要将固定中轴的扳手放松，就可以旋转球台，有什么不方便呢？
除非你是将中轴升起来的。

刚刚买了一个273QL，拿回来才发现其设计果真有一些缺陷。

273只能朝两个方向倒下去，如果把锁紧的手柄放在右边（习惯），那就只能向前后方向倒，变成不能竖拍了！如果把锁紧的手柄对准自己，虽然可以左右倒，但是仰拍和俯拍的时候可以调整的角度又不够！郁闷啊~~~~~~~~其实只要加一个可以水平轴就行了，而且还可以方便接片拍摄，不明白为什么金钟不做。

此外，我买回来的那个就没什么油的，看起来好像很容易磨损的样子，寻思着给加点什么油呢！

现在市面的金钟云台多数是广东中山伟宝器材厂生产的.

我的263QL就是,花了620元买的.质量有没有问题不知道,
因为才用了不到半年,到目前为止还算正常.锁紧后用手
掰是无法掰动的.

驼鸟:

263的快装板上有两个小突起可以竖起来,就是为了防止
竖拍时机身滑动的,没留意273的快装板有无此突起块.

[Bigwood 编辑于 2003-12-31 13:49]

觉得FOTOSKY犯了低级错误，调整一下角度绝对不会松的

TO FotoSky:
俺还是那句话：打死俺都不相信！
在俺看来，这是完完全全不可能的事情！
您能解释为什么这样结构的东西会锁不紧吗？金钟PH-263号称承重5公斤，PH-273号称承重8公斤，这在同规格云台里是个相当优秀的指标——※※的1276M承重是5公斤，这是不能乱写的。如果连锁紧的问题都解决不了，那还叫云台？！

在俺回复完上一个贴之后，看到了Bigwood DX的回复，俺觉得Bigwood已经讲得很清楚了。您所说的“往死里拧到头”，是不是拧到金钟云台旋钮那个挡片位置而已？按照Bigwood的办法您再试试？俺在前面说的“再多拧几圈试试！”，意思就是这样。

Fotosky :

看看会不会是扳手上的定位块和云台体上的定位块(看楼主
第二张图那个突起的部分)在没完全锁紧时就碰到一起了.

这样无论多大力,你都是拧不动的,要拉出扳手,换个角度.

需要注意的是,金钟的云台锁紧扳手是不能象M308那样连续
旋转的,可一次转动的角度很小(150约),就是因为那两个定位块,
需要沿螺丝轴线拉出扳手,转过一角度,其实这个设计我的理解
是将扳手调节到一个适当的角度,锁紧时定位块还未碰到,但
松开时,不能松太多,以免球体太松,器材突然滑落.

希望不是这样的低级失误.

[Bigwood 编辑于 2003-12-31 10:37]

ALI88，不用润滑油磨损会不会很大？我是不敢的！

试了一下，用布把油擦掉还是不行。明天去买酒精。

Kun：
你说的一般的白色润滑油有具体名称吗？本来是做什么用的？你有成功的经验，我最好照你的来。

嘿嘿，狼II，那个小搬手好用啊，小搬手上面明明标示了如何取下和安上的。可能你没有注意。