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工地外面,真搞不懂当地※※为什么要把一个IT管理局办公楼修在这个乱糟糟的地方。

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刚这张还是有些广角变形,PS了一下。

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再试拍20-50 f4 ais

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还有一些关于20-50 f4 ai/ais信息:
http://photo_net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000kXI&topic_id=23&topic=photo_net

其中: Bjorn Rorslett , Jan 24, 2000; 05:14 p.m.

as many people by now have discovered, the 25-50 f/4 Nikkor is a true optical gem. it has a degree of colour vividness that only is matched or surpassed by the recent and hugely expensive AFS Nikkor 17-35/2.8 and AFS 28-70/2.8. there is very little colour fringing in this lens and it has remarkably good image rendition when stopped well down, a feat that very few modern zooms can match.

the design of the 25-50 makes it low in flare and ghosting. however, this is contingent upon two factors; viz. the internal glass surfaces must be clean, and the front and rear elements must be kept immaculately clean.

until the arrival of the two AFS Nikkors mentioned above, the 25-50/4 was one of my favourite Nikkor lenses and my preferred choice for landscape photography. I still use it on my F2 Titan, but no longer on either F5 or D1.

Read about the 25-50 and 100+ other Nikkors at http://www_foto_no/nikon/ (select 'Lens Evaluations' from the menu bar). Please use this portal into the site, or, alternatively, http://www_foto_no/nikon/index2.html,as there is a lot of browser compatitiblity and platform issues that are carried out when the start page is executed. I see that several sites link directly to underlying pages and that could cause troubles with some browsers.

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Review 7 of 10

Price Paid:  $500.00 from Singapore

Summary:

This lens can compete with my Contax lens. The lens mannual said it can meet the performance of fixed lens, it also said attention was made to correct lens distortion to the minimum. After thorough testing, I agreed all that's been said. At 25mm it's best at f9.5-f11. From 28mm to 50mm best at f6.5-f11. At these settings, sharpness, contrast n resolution extend to the last mm into the corners. The focus point would not shift while zooming. Other lens with similar performance are 28-50/3.5 and 50-135/3.5. Most of the current zoom which I have tested could not match their performance, other than the AF-S zoom, 35-70/2.8 n 20-35/2.8. Why can't Nikon make lens of this quality anymore!

Strengths:

1.Sharp, contrasty with high resolution into the corners(maybe beyond the film). 2.Maintain focus while zooming. 3.Solid AIS lens quality.

Weaknesses:

1. Front rotate while focusing. 2. 72mm filter, would prefer 62mm

Similar Products Used:

1.All Contax C/Y zooms n fixed lenses 2.Nikon AFS zooms, all f2.8 zooms n fixed lenses 3.Konica Hexar RF 4.Mamiya 645 Pro

Customer Service:

In Singapore service is very good but sometime quite pricy.

新加坡的这位在2003年说,这个25-50f4ais能比得上他的CONTAX镜头,除了35-70/2.8d,20-35/2.8d外其它的现代变焦镜头都不能与它相比。与之类似的镜头还有:28-50 f3.5, 50-135f3.5。
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第二个老兄在2007年7月说:

Review 3 of 10

Price Paid:  $200.00 from Private sale

Summary:

Paid $AUD200 for this 16 years ago. I have used this lens for night photography on a cable released Nikon loaded with transparency on a tripod as well as for daytime photos handheld and on tripod.

Compared to my other Canon, Nikon and Leica lenses this lens produces brilliantly crisp and beautifully coloured photos that jump up at the eye.

I mentioned to someone knowledgable the extraordinary colour on a par with my Leica R 180 f3.4 Apo and someone suggested that extraordinary colour is a good indicator that this lens must be Apo corrected.

I don't know how the quality was achieved but I will not be parted form this lens.

I am now debating which Nikon digital to buy to allow me to keep using it or if I should go Canon to keep using Leica. I will have to test the latest digital bodies to make that decision.

Strengths:

Easy coverage of popular range of indoor and landscape lens ranges.

Fantastic crisp and rich rendition of colour into light at night and during daytime.

The proof of the pudding is in the photos with subjects which leap off the print or slide.

Weaknesses:

Loose focusing collar but this makes no difference to photos

Similar Products Used:

Nikon AIS 28mm f2.8, 50mm f1.8, 300 f4
Canon FD 20mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 35mm f2, 50mm f1.4, 100 f4 macro
Leica R 28mm f2.8, 50mm f1.4, 90mm f2, 180mm Apo f3.4

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Never required

他甚至把这个头的色彩与Leia R apo 180/3.4相提并论。
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找了一些关于这个镜头的资料,
http://www_photographyreview_com/mfr/nikon/35mm-zoom/PRD_130251_3128crx.aspx

其中第一个说:Review 1 of 10

Price Paid:  $250.00 from Vancouver,BC

Summary:

Hi guys,,,I am a seasoned Pro and use this lens every day . I still use film with my F-4e's but mostly D2xs with all my lenses. The 25-50 F4 Nikon Zoom is my number one choice for most shots in this range,both film and digital. It produces pictures that have no distorion at all . Yes the corners are a tiny bit soft but who is looking at the corners except in a lab test. I rate this lens at 5 of 5 and against todays lenses.
I have in my bag a Tokina 17mm f3.5 AIS, Nikon 20mm f3.5 AIS,28 and 35mm f2.8 Nikon,50mm f1.4 and 1.8 AFD , 50mm f1.8 AIS,55mm f2.5 Micro Nikon,105 f2.5 AIS Nikon,135mm f2.8 AIS nikon,200mm f4 AIS Nikon,300mm f2.8 AF ED Nikon,and zooms are 12-24mm f4 AF ED IF Nikon, 25-50mm f4 AIS,20-35mm f2.8 AFD, 35-70 f2.8 AFD Nikon,35-135mm f3.5-4.5 Nikon,50-135mm,f 3.5 Nikon,80-200mm f4 Nikon,80-200 f 2.8 AF ED Nikon as well as 2 Vivitar 70-210mm f 3.5 AIS series 1 zooms and 28mm f 2.5 Vivitar AI for the rainy day shots.
Also my favourite of all time is my Nikon F-2s with MD2 and MB1 that I will never sell.
Getting back to the 25-50 ,,it is the best lens in my bag and the same fro the guys I work with shooting breaking news events and spoerts.

Strengths:

very good grip,easy to focus and zoom,72mm filters,just right wieght,built like a tank with a great finnish.

Weaknesses:

f:4 but not a problem with 200 asa and up. Hard to replace now as Niokn didn't make many of these gems. Constantly have to keep the filter clean to stop flare.

Similar Products Used:

perfect companion is the 50-135 f3.5 AIS zoom ,,20-35mm f2.8 AFD ,Nikon and 80-200mm f2.8 or f4 Nikon zooms with these lenses you can do anything with top notch results in any situation,,,,any..!

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Nikon only for me!

Review Date:June 16, 2008  Reviewed by: royszone
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上面这两张都没有PS,直接JGP,机内VIVID模式出片。但感到焦外的色调呈现蓝色。用的是镜头20-50 f4 ais,查了一些资料,这个镜头用的人很少,但用的人都说她太棒了。

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http://www_leitax_com/

这个网站在卖leica-nikon F mount的镜头底座,只是价格格太贵了,一个要75EURO,盼望国内会么时侯有人仿制,价格在300CNY以内就好了。个人觉得这种底座比国内现在的一些改口的方法好象要好一些,因为这种“改口”应该是可逆的。
不过,网上也有人说接环的玩法不怎么样,还是要拍胶片。自己用那个R4S和R50拍出的PP确实感觉太棒了。
但心里总是想折腾不是么?自己还是想看看把这个R50接到数码上到底是什么效果,期待中。。。。。
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CONTAX G2, from photo_net  by Tom Shea, created in 1998  
Link: http://photo_net/equipment/contax/g2

I will devote the first part of this review to considering the Contax G2 AF rangefinder system on its own merits. Then, I will take the more dangerous path and will compare it to Leica and SLR system.
我将首先实事求是地回顾一下Contax G2自动旁轴系统的特点。然后,我将冒险地拿它与Leica和单反相机系统进行比较。

Dimensions 外观

The G2 is a solid camera. It is 139 mm wide, 80 mm high and 45 mm deep. It weight 650 grams without batteries. It feels rather heavy and controls are smooth and firm. It is a well built camera. The finish is excellent-unsurpassed in my experience. The lenses use a breech mount system and are a little fussy to mount.
G2 是一个坚固的相机。它宽139mm、高80mm,深45mm。不包括电池重650克。拿在手上感觉非常重,机身控制钮都非常顺滑和坚实。它是一台制造得非常好的相机,外观是我所经历过的最优秀的。镜头使用一种底衬系统与机身连接,安装时有一点麻烦。

Lens options 镜头选择

Contax produce 16/8, 21/2.8, 28/2.8, 35/2, 45/2, 90/2.8 for G2, With and adapter, the camera can accept Contax/Yashica mount SLR lenses.
Contax 为G2提供 16/8, 21/2.8, 28/2.8, 35/2, 45/2, 90/2.8共六支镜头。G2也可以通过转接器使用Contax或Yashica接口的单反镜头。

Focus 对焦

The G2 use an extended baselength autofocus rangefinder system. There are two modes. The first is an active focus system using an infrared light for close range focusing - particularly helpful for low light conditions. The second system, for subjects that are rather away, is a passive system, as found in most of SLR’s. With a close subject in adequate light, the active system acquired focus first and the passive system takes over to overcome the final precise focusing adjustment.
G2使用延伸的基准长度自动对焦测距系统,它有两种对焦方式。第一个方式是红外线主动对焦系统,适用于近距离范围的对焦--在弱光环境下特别有用。第二个对焦系统针对较远的目标,采用的是与大多数单反相机一样的被动对焦系统。对充足光线的近距离被摄体而言,主动系统会先进行对焦,然后由被动系统接着完成最终的精确对焦调整。

There are several focusing modes available - single autofocus, continuous autofocus and manual focus. Any of these AF modes can be combined with either continous or single frame film advance. For those who wish specific AF control, the camera can be set so that it will autofocus when a button on the back of the camera is pushed.
G2有三种对焦模式供选择使用--单次自动对焦,连续自动对焦和手动对焦。任何上述的自动对焦方式都可以事先进行单帧或连续多帧的设置。如果摄影师想进行特定的自动对焦控制,相机能设置成通过机身后背上的一个按钮进行自动对焦。

Exposure 曝光

The G2 has a vertical metal focal plane shutter with speeds from 4 seconds to 1/4000 ( extended from 16 through 1/6000 in aperture priority mode), plus B. Flash sync is 1/200th. The TTL metering system has a range of 1-19 EV. There is also a external meter for 16 mm lens (since this lens extends so far into the body so that it blocks the internal meter). The metering pattern is central weighted, reading off of a grey area on the shutter.  
G2 配备了金属的垂直焦平面快门,快门速度从4到1/4000秒(在光圈优先模式下可扩展到16秒至1/6000秒),还有B门曝光, 闪光同步速度是1/200秒。其TTL测光系统的工作范围可达1-19EV。而16mm的镜头由于它伸进机身内部太深而阻挡住了内部测光表,故需要一个外部测光表协同相机工作。测光区域为※※重点,通过读取快门上的一个灰度区域来实现。

Exposure can be set manually or using aperture priority. Exposure compensation can be set by a dial on the top of the camera with a range of plus or minus 2 stops in 1/3 stop increments. An autobracketing control can be set for plus or minus half or whole stop bracketing. The camera uses a motor to advance the film with low and high speed options for the continuous advance rate. The fast rate is up to 4 frame per second, there is also a single frame mode, a self timer mode and a multiple exposure mode.
曝光可预设成手动和光圈优先两种方式。曝光补偿可通过机身顶部的一个按钮按1/3档的幅度在正负2档范围内调整。相机可以可以以半档或整档的幅度进行自动包围曝光控制。相机配备了自动卷片马达,可以选择高速或低速连拍,高速可达4张/秒的速度。相机也有单帧拍摄模式、自拍模式和多重曝光模式。

The shutter release is smooth and has a very good feel. Surrounding the release is a lever which acts as an on/off switch and an A/E lock. The camera can also be set so that A/E lock is achieved by partially pressing the shutter release. There are five custom functions, including film leader out or in upon rewind, manual focusing operation, bracketing order and A/E lock operation.
快门释放按钮动作非常顺滑,感觉非常棒,电源开关以及A/E锁的控制转盘包围其周。相机也可以设置成通过半按快门释放钮来进行A/E锁定。相机有五个用户定义的功能,包括胶卷装入和导出旋钮、手动对焦操作、包围曝光顺序和A/E锁操作。

Viewfinder 取景器
The viewfinder is a zoom telescope. The picture frame area changes automatically depending on focal length of the lens and focusing distance. The viewfinder has information regarding the shutter speed, focus, exposure compensation and flash mark. The TTL flash system is normally good. There is a wide range of (expensive) Contax flash units available, including two small units (TLA 140 and 200) made specifically for the G2 which are quite simple to operate, though not as versatile as the larger units.
G2的取景器是一个变焦的望远镜。呈现在其上面的图像的画幅面积根据镜头的焦距和被摄体的距离自动变化,上面还有快门速度、对焦、曝光补偿和闪光灯标记信息。TTL闪光系统通常情况下很好。可供选择的Contax 闪光灯范围很广(昂贵),其中包括两个特别为G2定制的两个小型闪光灯TLA140和TLA200,它们操作非常简单,当然也没有其它大一些的闪光灯那么多才多艺。

In use 使用

How does it work? It can take very good photographs. It is easy to use. It is flexible for a rangefinder. It is noisy. This is the worst thing about G2 in my opinion. The AF is very noisy-substantially noisier than any cheap point and shoot I have heard recently. Moreover, the lens returns to its base position after every shutter release, so that the lens refocus from the beginning. However, autofocus is very fast, even compares with top AF SLR’s. It is possible to lock focus, cutting the shutter lag to minimum amount.

它使用起来到底如何?我想说的是:它能拍摄非常棒的作品;它非常容易使用;它相对于一个旁轴相机来讲适用范围广;它非常吵,这是我觉得G2最不认人满意的地方。它的自动对焦噪音很大-实际上比我近来听过的任何廉价的袖珍相机的噪音都大。还有,它的镜头在每次快门释放后都要回到初始位置,下一次对焦又得从开始重来。然而,不管怎样,自动对焦还是非常快的,甚至与顶级的自动对焦单反相机相比也算是非常快。它可以锁定对焦,可通过稍稍滞后释放快门的动作来实现。

Compare to… 与…比较

Now let me compare thee to a Summer’s Day- or an SLR or a Leica. Here is where it really gets interesting.
现在,让我把它与一个其它的宝贝,或者一个单反相机,或者一个Leica进行比较。这里才真正变得有趣。
First let us look at the SLR/G2 issues. An SLR is much more versatile, the G2 cannot do macro work. It has no lens longer than 90 mm. The advantage of a G2 over an SLR is its size and its status as a rangefinder. Not only is the body smaller than an SLR, the lenses are much smaller. The subjective difference is even more than the objective difference. A G2 is not that much smaller than a Pentax LX or Contax S2. However, it seems much smaller and quicker. A G2 system with a body and a few lenses is also actually much smaller and lighter than an SLR system. Additionally, some people feel more connected to a subject when looking through a rangefinder than through a viewfinder. The fact that the rangefinder does not black out for a moment does offer a psychological advantage. Another factor is that in a G2, the entire viewfinder image is in focus. Everything appears sharp. In an SLR, the viewfinder image comes in and out of focus depending on how the lenses is focused. This is a big difference.
首先,让我们看一下单反相机与G2相比的情况。一个单反相机比G2更加多面手,G2不能拍摄微距,它没有长过90mm的镜头。G2的优点是它的体积和它的旁轴优势。G2不仅是机身小于单反相机,其镜头更小于单反相机的镜头,主观的不同甚至更超过客观的区别。G2不比一台Pentax LX 或者 Contax S2小多少,然而,它看起来非常小和便捷。一套由一个机身和几支镜头组成的G2系统也实际上比一套单反系统小和轻便很多。此外,一些人觉得通过旁轴取景比通过单反相机的取景器要更加贴近被摄对象。理由是旁轴上不会有瞬间的空白影像,这给一些人取得了心理优势;另外一个因素是在G2上,观景窗上的全部图像都是清晰和锐利的,而在单反相机上,观景窗上的图像清晰与否取决于镜头是怎样对焦的,这是一个很大的不同。

Now the waters get really choppy - comparing the G2 to a Leica M6. First the basic differences.... The G2 is autofocus; the M6 is not. The G2 has motorized advance; the M6 does not. The G2 has auto film loading; the M6 does not. The G2 has an electronic shutter; the M6 does not. Notice a trend here? The G2 has a lot of stuff that the M6 does not have. The G2 has a lot of modern features which the M6 lacks. Before you start feeling sorry for the poor ol' M6 user, however, consider that most M6 users relish this lack of features. The M6 is desirable to many photographers exactly because it does not have all of these features. Lets look at some specific issues.
现在,让我们走向更大的风浪—将G2与Leica M6相比。首先,基本的不同,G2是自动对焦,M6不是;G2配有预先自动卷片马达,M6没有;G2有自动安装胶卷的功能,M6没有;G2有电子快门,M6没有。看到了什么趋势没有?G2有很多东西M6却没有的,G2有很多M6没有的现代的特征。在你开始觉得M6使用者们可怜之前,然而,请别忘了大多数的M6使用者都非常享受这些现代特征的缺乏。很多摄影者正是因为M6缺乏这些特征而对它非常渴求。让我们看一看其中一些特定的比较项目:

First lets consider the feel of the cameras. The G2 is very solid. The M6 is an absolute rock. After using an M6, a G2 feels less solid in comparison. The controls of each are comparable in feel. The shutter release of the M6 feels slightly better than the G2. The shutter speed dial of the G2 feels better. They bodies weigh about the same, although the M6 lenses are heavier. Although the G2 is only slightly larger than the M6, the G2 feels significantly larger. Perhaps this is because of the simplicity of the M6 or maybe it is because the M6 feels so dense. However, some find the controls of the G2 to be better than those of the M6. There is much room for personal preference on this issue.
首先是相机的使用感受。G2非常坚固,M6却是绝对的坚如磐石,在你使用了M6后,你就会觉得G2没那么坚固了;两者的机身控制钮的使用感觉旗鼓相当,M6的快门释放感觉比G2稍好,G2的快门速度调节转盘感觉好一些;二者的机身重量相当,但是M6的镜头要重些。虽然G2只是比M6大一点点,但感觉却明显要大一些,这可能是因为M6的简洁的外观或者可能是因为M6手感非常醇厚。然而,一些人还是发现一些G2的机身控制方面好过M6的,G2在这方面对个人的选择取向有更多的空间。

The viewfinder systems are very different. The G2 uses a zoom telescope as a viewfinder. This system varies the magnification of the subject, depending on the focal length of the lens mounted. This looks much more similar to the view from an SLR, since in both, the magnification of the subject varies with the focal length. For longer focal lengths, the subject is magnified more. In the Leica, the magnification remains constant (.72 for a standard M6). For comparison, with a 45 mm lens, the G2's magnification is .57.
二者的取景系统有很大的不同。G2使用了变焦的望远镜进行取景,这个系统能根据所安装的镜头的焦距不同来变化被摄对象的放大比率,这看上去与单反相机非常像。因为二者的被摄对象在观景窗上的放大比率都可以随焦距的不同而不同,远一些的物体放大比率要大些。而在Leica上,放大比率是一个常数(标准版M6是0.72)。作为一个参照,如果用一个45mm的镜头,G2的放大倍率是0.57。
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For example, when a 90mm lens is mounted on a Leica, the viewfinder magnification remains the same as when a 28mm lens is mounted. The picture area of the 28 mm lens is virtually the entire viewfinder. The picture area of the 90 mm lens is a small rectangular frame in the middle of the viewfinder. The Leica shows the picture area by projecting white lines in the viewfinder. These lines(called bright line frames) form frames that show the picture areas for 28,35,50,75,90 and 135 mm lenses. The frames change depending on lens mounted.
例如,当将一个90mm的镜头安在M6上时,其取景器的放大倍率与用28mm镜头的放大倍率是一样的,28mm镜头所拍摄的图像正好是取景器窗口看到的全部面积,但90mm的镜头实际拍摄的图像却只是位于取景器看到的图像的※※一个小的矩形区域。M6在取景器的屏幕上通过显示白线来显示被拍照片的实际图像区域,这些线(被称作白线框)所包围的画面为28,35,50,75,90,135mm这些不同焦距镜头的实际拍摄画面,它们会根据安装在相机上镜头的不同而变化。

For a normal (45 or 50 mm) lens, the Leica has an advantage. The view finder is brighter in the M6. Additionally, since the 50 mm frame does not fill the entire viewfinder, the photographer can also see the area beyond the picture area. This assists in composition. On the other hand, with a 90 mm lens mounted, the frame area on an M6 is pretty small, making it difficult to see what is there. With the G2, the picture area for the 90 mm lens is magnified, making it much easier to see the subject. This also makes critical focusing more difficult. For a 135 mm lens the problems is even more difficult. Of course a G2 does not even have a 135 lens.
在使用标准镜头时,Leica有优势:取景器比G2亮;此外,虽然50mm的画幅没有充满整个取景屏,但摄影者能够看到被摄对象区域以外的画面,这可以帮助 构图。在另一方面,当用90mm镜头时,M6的取景区域太小了,很难看清被摄对象;而用G2时,90mm镜头的被摄图像区域被放大,可以比较容易看清目标,M6在这方面也使得挑剔的对焦非常困难。对135mm镜头来讲,这个问题更加突出,当然,G2没有135mm的镜头。

Focusing is another issue of difference. There is a fundamental difference between the G2's autofocus system and the Leica's pure manual rangefinder system. The G2 is also a rangefinder, but there is not coincident image system as in the M6. The G2 can be focused manually, but this manual focusing is electonic manual focusing- not machanical. There is no way for a G2 photographer to tell if somethins is in focus except to rely on the distance readout in the viewfinder on the top of the camera. The G2 lenses do not even have focus rangs. The Leica coincident rangefinder system is a joy to use for normal and wide angle lenses. It is easy to see and is certain -provided it is properly aligned.

对焦是另一个不同的地方。G2的自动对焦系统与M6的纯手动旁轴对焦有根本的不同。G2也是旁轴,但与M6的图像系统却不一致。G2也可以进行手动对焦,但它的手动对焦是电子手动对焦而不是机械的,此时,G2的摄影师除了依靠通过相机顶部的取景器上显示的距离读数外是无法判断被摄对象是否合焦的,G2的镜头甚至连对焦环都没有。Leicar的这套相似的旁轴系统在使用广角镜头和标准镜头时是令人愉悦的,在正确地调焦后它非常容易看清并且对焦非常容易非常坚决。

This brings us to focusing accuracy. No one complains about the focusing accuracy of normal or wide angle lenses with either the G2 or the M6. They both focus accurately-better than any SLR. But let us look at the focusing accuracy with a 90 mm lens. Both the M6 and G2 have questions on their records here. There have been many questions regarding the focusing accuracy of the G cameras. Indeed, when the G2 was introduced, it was said to have overcome the sometimes poor 90 mm focusing ability of the G1. Contax has recognized this problem and addressed it. By all reports, the G2 does do better in this regard than the G1, and many photographers report that it is excellent in this regard. However, there have been some comments of focusing inaccuracy with the G2 and the 90 mm lens. After looking into this, there seem to be two reasons. The first, which may be the most commen, is that some new G2 photographers are not used to using AF. Simply, the do no realize that the AF sensor area marked on the viewfinder is what the camera will focus on. The G2 does not use a wide area AF- it uses a very narrow AF area. The second reason is misalignment of the AF system in the camera. There seem to be two kinds of misalignment: 1) the AF sensor not being aligned with the AF senor area indicated in the viewfinder, and ; 2) misalignment of the distance adjustment for the AF sensor. I must say, however, that I have never experienced any focusing problem in any of my three G2's.
上述这些问题引导我们到了对焦精度的话题上。没有人抱怨过G2或者M6在使用广角或标准镜头时的对焦精度,它们都对焦精准--比任何的单反相机都好。但是让我们看看90mm镜头的对焦精度,G2和M6在这里都有不良的记录。Contax G型相机发生过许多对焦精度的问题。确实,Contax已经意识到了这个问题并在G2开始推出的时侯就公开宣称已经克服了在G1上有时侯会发生的可怜的90mm的对焦能力。所有的报道都说G2在这方面比G1好,而且很多摄影师说在这方面G2非常优秀。然而,有一些关于90mm镜头在G2上的对焦精度的一些评论,仔细研究这些评论后发现,一般有两种情况导致对焦不准:第一种情况,也许是最普通的问题,是一些G2的新手不习惯于使用自动对焦,他们甚至还不知道在取景器上显示的自动对焦区域就是相机要对焦的地方。G2没有使用一个宽区域自动对焦,而是使用一个非常窄的自动对焦区域。第二个情况是对相机的自动自焦调整方法不对,好象有两种情况:一、自动对焦感应器没有调整得与在取景窗口上的对焦感应区域一致;二、自动对焦感应调整距离错误(注:这两点我没怎么理解透,不知怎么译清楚,回头再研究一下)。我必须说,我在我的三台G2上从未经历过对焦不准的问题。

How about the M6 focusing accuracy? Like the G2, the M6 must be properly aligned. Here the alignment is in the very complex but generally very reliable mechanical rengefinder system and lens coupling system. When properly aligned, the M6's focusing accuracy is good enough to allow use of a 90 mm f2 lens and is good enough for use of a 135 mm lens at f5.6. Note, however, that even theoretically, the focusing ability of the rangefinder is actually not quite good enough for a 135 mm lens at f4. Moreover, the focusing ability of the M6 depends on the photographer having very good eyesight in order to see the small picture frame areas for the 90 mm and 135 mm lens. In my opinion, both the G2 and the M6 are fine for 90 mm lens.
而M6的对焦精度又如何呢?就象G2一样,M6也必须被正确地调焦。这时,对焦调整是在一个非常复杂但是通常情况下都非常可靠的机械旁轴系统及其镜头联接系统下进行的。在正确调焦的前提下,M6的对焦精度足以使用90mm f2的镜头,并足以在f5.6的光圈下使用135mm的镜头。请记住,就算是在理论上,旁轴相机的对焦能力实际上在135mm f4.0下都无法保证能精确对焦。而且,M6的对焦能力还要依赖摄影者有非常好的视力以便于能看清90mm和135mm镜头的很小的对焦区域。我认为,G2和M6在90mm镜头上的对焦能力都足够好。

The issue of simplicity v. features is very personal. But there are some other issues to address. The first is shutter accuracy. The G2 beats the pants off the M6. The M6's cloth horizontal mechanical focal plane shutter is not nearly as accurate as the often be off by 1/3 to 1/2 stop or more. A well aligned M6 shutter can be within 1/3 stop. One must also remenber the M6's limit of 1/1000 shutter speed and flash synch speed of 1/50.These can both be significant limitations. However, it must also be remembered that the M6 shutter functions without a battery, The G2 depends on its two CR2 batteries for its life.
关于简洁与新特征的较量有非常强的个人倾向。但是有一些其它的事项需要说明:第一是关于快门精度,在这一点上G2完胜M6。M6的布质的水平机械焦平面快门远不好G2的垂直金属电子焦平面快门精确。M6的快门会经常有1/3档到1/2的误差或者更多,一个经精心调校的M6可将误差控制在1/3档范围内。而且大家还不要忘记M6的1/1000秒快门速度和1/50秒闪光同步速度的限制。这些限制也可以算是M6的软肋。然而,另一方面,又不得不说M6的快门不需要电池,而G2的快门要依靠两节CR2电池才能工作。

Lenses.There is probably not a hotter issue between the two cameras than this one. I must first say that I have not had as much time with the M6 system as the G2 system. So some of this information is based upon personal use and other sources. I'll start by giveing you my three conclusions:
关于镜头,在G2和M6之间再没有比这更热的话题了。我不得不先说我用M6的时间比用G2系统短。所以,一些这方面的观点是基于个人的使用感受和其它的信息来源。我先概括以下三个总结:

1. There is no overall objective difference (family look) between the two lens families.
1. 在二者的镜头群之间在客观上没有全面的不同。

2. While there are fifferences between comparable lenses, there is no overall quality difference.
2. 在二者可比较的镜头之间的对比中,没有全面的质量区别。

3. These are all very fine lenses and any differences in quality can only be determined by careful testing. The use of a tripod (or not) makes a much larger difference in sharpness thant which lens is used.
3. 二者的镜头都是非常好的镜头,任何质量上的不同都是由精心调整的工作决定的。使用三角架(与否)在方面会有很大的区别,这一点比用什么镜头产生的区别更大。

There is no objective family look - at least I cannot see one. Some Leica users, and to a lesser degree some Contax users, talk about a certain family look to their lenses. Photos takes with very good lenses can be differentialed from photos taken with fair quality lenses. But this depends on the quality of the lens - not the manufacturer. Cannon, Nikon,etc all make some very high quality lenses. Photos from these lenses will all look good. However, I have never read or heared anyone who has been able to define a family "look" into any objective or scientific terms. Instead, they use vague, descriptive terms like feel, ambiance, rouded, clarity, impact etc... Moreover, if there is truly a "look", it should be verifiable by an objective blind (so to speak) comparison test. I have never heard of one being done by an objective and disinterested person.
无法从客观上判断一个镜头群的好玩--至少我无法看到。一些Leica的用户和范围小一些的Contax用户在谈论着关于对他们的整个镜头群的确切的看法。我认为,用非常好的镜头和用比较好的镜头照的照片通过细心的辨别能看出区别来,但这是由镜头的质量决定的,而并不是由生产商来决定。佳能,尼康都能生产非常高质量的镜头,用这些镜头拍的作品看上去都非常棒。然而,我从来没看到过或没有听到过任何人能够对一整个镜头群下任何客观和科学上的评论。相反,他们总是用含糊的、描述性质的诸如感觉、氛围、大概、透明、效果等词(注:这一堆词完全是瞎翻的)。此外,假如真的存在总体的看法,这也应该通过一种客观的盲测(这样才能理直气壮地说)为基础。我从来没有听到过有一个客观的无私的人做过这样的事。

For a start, it should be noted that there is a fra larger selection fo lenses for the M6 than the G2. There are only g G2 lenses. The G2 has no lens faster than 2.0. Leica has about 13 lenses with speeds up to f1.0. A few comparisons(my own opinion): The new Leica 21/2.8 aspherical and the G 21/2.8 are equal.The Leica 35/2.0 aspherical is much better than the G 35 lens. The G 45/2.0 is slightly better than the leica 50/2.0. The G 90/2.8 is slightly better than the Leica 90/2.8. All the Leica lenses are better built than the G lenses. They are more solid. The finish quality of the G and M6 lenses are equal(as opposed to the bodies, where the M cameras are much better finished than the G2'S)
首先,我必须说M6的镜头可选择的范围要比G2大得多,G2只有6支镜头,G2没有快过2.0光圈的镜头。而Leica有大约13支镜头,镜头速度可达f1.0.以我个人的观点,一些比较如下:新版的leica21/2.8 aspherical(非球面镜)与G21/2.8相当,Leica 35/2.0 aspherical比G的35 mm要好很多,而G 45/2.0比Leica 50/2.0稍好,G的90/2.8也 Leica的90/2.8稍好。所有Leica镜头的做工都比G系列镜头好,它们更加坚固;G和M6镜头的外观质量相当(这一点与机身的区别相反)。
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For example, when a 90mm lens is mounted on a Leica, the viewfinder magnification remains the same as when a 28mm lens is mounted. The picture area of the 28 mm lens is virtually the entire viewfinder. The picture area of the 90 mm lens is a small rectangular frame in the middle of the viewfinder. The Leica shows the picture area by projecting white lines in the viewfinder. These lines(called bright line frames) form frames that show the picture areas for 28,35,50,75,90 and 135 mm lenses. The frames change depending on lens mounted.
例如,当将一个90mm的镜头安在M6上时,其取景器的放大倍率与用28mm镜头的放大倍率是一样的,28mm镜头所拍摄的图像正好是取景器窗口看到的全部面积,但90mm的镜头实际拍摄的图像却只是位于取景器看到的图像的※※一个小的矩形区域。M6在取景器的屏幕上通过显示白线来显示被拍照片的实际图像区域,这些线(被称作白线框)所包围的画面为28,35,50,75,90,135mm这些不同焦距镜头的实际拍摄画面,它们会根据安装在相机上镜头的不同而变化。

For a normal (45 or 50 mm) lens, the Leica has an advantage. The view finder is brighter in the M6. Additionally, since the 50 mm frame does not fill the entire viewfinder, the photographer can also see the area beyond the picture area. This assists in composition. On the other hand, with a 90 mm lens mounted, the frame area on an M6 is pretty small, making it difficult to see what is there. With the G2, the picture area for the 90 mm lens is magnified, making it much easier to see the subject. This also makes critical focusing more difficult. For a 135 mm lens the problems is even more difficult. Of course a G2 does not even have a 135 lens.
在使用标准镜头时,Leica有优势:取景器比G2亮;此外,虽然50mm的画幅没有充满整个取景屏,但摄影者能够看到被摄对象区域以外的画面,这可以帮助 构图。在另一方面,当用90mm镜头时,M6的取景区域太小了,很难看清被摄对象;而用G2时,90mm镜头的被摄图像区域被放大,可以比较容易看清目标,M6在这方面也使得挑剔的对焦非常困难。对135mm镜头来讲,这个问题更加突出,当然,G2没有135mm的镜头。

Focusing is another issue of difference. There is a fundamental difference between the G2's autofocus system and the Leica's pure manual rangefinder system. The G2 is also a rangefinder, but there is not coincident image system as in the M6. The G2 can be focused manually, but this manual focusing is electonic manual focusing- not machanical. There is no way for a G2 photographer to tell if somethins is in focus except to rely on the distance readout in the viewfinder on the top of the camera. The G2 lenses do not even have focus rangs. The Leica coincident rangefinder system is a joy to use for normal and wide angle lenses. It is easy to see and is certain -provided it is properly aligned.

对焦是另一个不同的地方。G2的自动对焦系统与M6的纯手动旁轴对焦有根本的不同。G2也是旁轴,但与M6的图像系统却不一致。G2也可以进行手动对焦,但它的手动对焦是电子手动对焦而不是机械的,此时,G2的摄影师除了依靠通过相机顶部的取景器上显示的距离读数外是无法判断被摄对象是否合焦的,G2的镜头甚至连对焦环都没有。Leicar的这套相似的旁轴系统在使用广角镜头和标准镜头时是令人愉悦的,在正确地调焦后它非常容易看清并且对焦非常容易非常坚决。

This brings us to focusing accuracy. No one complains about the focusing accuracy of normal or wide angle lenses with either the G2 or the M6. They both focus accurately-better than any SLR. But let us look at the focusing accuracy with a 90 mm lens. Both the M6 and G2 have questions on their records here. There have been many questions regarding the focusing accuracy of the G cameras. Indeed, when the G2 was introduced, it was said to have overcome the sometimes poor 90 mm focusing ability of the G1. Contax has recognized this problem and addressed it. By all reports, the G2 does do better in this regard than the G1, and many photographers report that it is excellent in this regard. However, there have been some comments of focusing inaccuracy with the G2 and the 90 mm lens. After looking into this, there seem to be two reasons. The first, which may be the most commen, is that some new G2 photographers are not used to using AF. Simply, the do no realize that the AF sensor area marked on the viewfinder is what the camera will focus on. The G2 does not use a wide area AF- it uses a very narrow AF area. The second reason is misalignment of the AF system in the camera. There seem to be two kinds of misalignment: 1) the AF sensor not being aligned with the AF senor area indicated in the viewfinder, and ; 2) misalignment of the distance adjustment for the AF sensor. I must say, however, that I have never experienced any focusing problem in any of my three G2's.
上述这些问题引导我们到了对焦精度的话题上。没有人抱怨过G2或者M6在使用广角或标准镜头时的对焦精度,它们都对焦精准--比任何的单反相机都好。但是让我们看看90mm镜头的对焦精度,G2和M6在这里都有不良的记录。Contax G型相机发生过许多对焦精度的问题。确实,Contax已经意识到了这个问题并在G2开始推出的时侯就公开宣称已经克服了在G1上有时侯会发生的可怜的90mm的对焦能力。所有的报道都说G2在这方面比G1好,而且很多摄影师说在这方面G2非常优秀。然而,有一些关于90mm镜头在G2上的对焦精度的一些评论,仔细研究这些评论后发现,一般有两种情况导致对焦不准:第一种情况,也许是最普通的问题,是一些G2的新手不习惯于使用自动对焦,他们甚至还不知道在取景器上显示的自动对焦区域就是相机要对焦的地方。G2没有使用一个宽区域自动对焦,而是使用一个非常窄的自动对焦区域。第二个情况是对相机的自动自焦调整方法不对,好象有两种情况:一、自动对焦感应器没有调整得与在取景窗口上的对焦感应区域一致;二、自动对焦感应调整距离错误(注:这两点我没怎么理解透,不知怎么译清楚,回头再研究一下)。我必须说,我在我的三台G2上从未经历过对焦不准的问题。

How about the M6 focusing accuracy? Like the G2, the M6 must be properly aligned. Here the alignment is in the very complex but generally very reliable mechanical rengefinder system and lens coupling system. When properly aligned, the M6's focusing accuracy is good enough to allow use of a 90 mm f2 lens and is good enough for use of a 135 mm lens at f5.6. Note, however, that even theoretically, the focusing ability of the rangefinder is actually not quite good enough for a 135 mm lens at f4. Moreover, the focusing ability of the M6 depends on the photographer having very good eyesight in order to see the small picture frame areas for the 90 mm and 135 mm lens. In my opinion, both the G2 and the M6 are fine for 90 mm lens.
而M6的对焦精度又如何呢?就象G2一样,M6也必须被正确地调焦。这时,对焦调整是在一个非常复杂但是通常情况下都非常可靠的机械旁轴系统及其镜头联接系统下进行的。在正确调焦的前提下,M6的对焦精度足以使用90mm f2的镜头,并足以在f5.6的光圈下使用135mm的镜头。请记住,就算是在理论上,旁轴相机的对焦能力实际上在135mm f4.0下都无法保证能精确对焦。而且,M6的对焦能力还要依赖摄影者有非常好的视力以便于能看清90mm和135mm镜头的很小的对焦区域。我认为,G2和M6在90mm镜头上的对焦能力都足够好。

The issue of simplicity v. features is very personal. But there are some other issues to address. The first is shutter accuracy. The G2 beats the pants off the M6. The M6's cloth horizontal mechanical focal plane shutter is not nearly as accurate as the often be off by 1/3 to 1/2 stop or more. A well aligned M6 shutter can be within 1/3 stop. One must also remenber the M6's limit of 1/1000 shutter speed and flash synch speed of 1/50.These can both be significant limitations. However, it must also be remembered that the M6 shutter functions without a battery, The G2 depends on its two CR2 batteries for its life.
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Focus 对焦

The G2 use an extended baselength autofocus rangefinder system. There are two modes. The first is an active focus system using an infrared light for close range focusing-particularly helpful for low light conditions.The second system,for subject that are rather away, is a passive system. as found in most of SLR'S. With a close subject in adequate light, the active system acquired focus first and the passive system takes over to overcome the final precise focusing adjustment.
G2使用一种扩展的基准长度自动对焦系统,它有两种对焦方式。第一种方式是红外线主动对焦系统,适用于近距离范围内的对焦--在弱光环境下特别有用。第二种对焦系统针对较远的目标,采用的是与大多数单反相机一样的被动对焦系统。对充足光线下的近距离被摄体而言,主动系统会先进行对焦,然后由被动系统接着完成最终的精确对焦调整。
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前几天翻译的G2一文,辛苦了半天结果也没给字数,觉得可能是因为当时是在Word里编辑完了后直接粘贴的缘故,因此准备再老老实实地敲进来,这不能算混呵。因为当天在翻译这篇文章时为了学英语,连大半部分英文都没有从网上直接粘贴,是自己照着打的,以加深印象。好了,再学一遍。

Contax G2, from photo_net, by Tom Shea, created in 1998
link: http://photo_net/equipment/contax/g2

I will devote the first part of this review to considering the Contax G2 AF rangefinder system on its own merits. Then, I will take the more dangerous path and will compare it to Leica and SLR system.
我将首先实事求是是回顾一下Contax G2自动旁轴照相机系统的特点。然后,我将冒险地拿它与Leica和单反相机系统进行比较。

Dimensions 外观

The G2 is a solid camera. It is 139 mm wide, 80 mm high and 45 mm deep. It weight 650 grams without batteries. It feels rather heavy and controls are smooth and firm. It is a well built camera. The finish is excellent-upsurpassed in my experience. The lenses use a breech mount system and are a little fussy to mount.
G2是一台坚固的相机。它宽139mm,高80mm,深45mm。不包括电池重650克。拿在手上感觉非常重,机身控制钮都非常顺滑和坚实。它是一台做工非常棒的相机,外观是我所经历过的最优秀的。镜头使用一种底衬系统与机身联接,安装时有一点麻烦。

Lens options 镜头选择

Contax produce 16/8,21/8, 28/2.8,35/2.0,45/2.0,90/2.8 for G2.With an adapter, the camera can accept Contax/Yashica mount SLR lenses.
Contax 为G2提供16/8、21/2.8、28/2.8、35/2、45/2以及90/2.8共六支镜头。它还可通过一个转接器使用Contax或Yashica接口的单反镜头。
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仔细看了下,上面这张树的图P得有点过了,对比太强。
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