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原文由 hk323 在2010-02-05 15:15发表
佳能公司在各类广告宣传中均宣称40D有10万次快门使用寿命。
自消费者购买40D的那一刻起,佳能公司实际上相当于与消费者签订了一份40D次快门使用寿命10万的合同。
如果是快门组的故障(目前我的快门使用次数是2万次左右),很明显,佳能公司违反了合同约定。
我将采取措施维护我的权益。
如果是其它故障,希望佳能公司在今后能提高产品质量。


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原文由 hk323 在2010-02-05 15:15发表
就没有人向佳能公司※※※吗?网上就搜索到这一个索赔不完全的一篇!
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4a2425c90100f3ra.html
根据消费者保※※第二十二条规定:经营者应当保证在正常使用商品或者接受服务的情况下其提供的商品或者服务应当具有的质量、性能、用途和有效斯限;但消费者在购买该商品或者接受该服 ......  [/QUOT

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真奇怪,佳能这些年生产的相机,有哪个没有质量问题的?
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就没有人向佳能公司※※※吗?网上就搜索到这一个索赔不完全的一篇!
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4a2425c90100f3ra.html
根据消费者保※※第二十二条规定:经营者应当保证在正常使用商品或者接受服务的情况下其提供的商品或者服务应当具有的质量、性能、用途和有效斯限;但消费者在购买该商品或者接受该服务前已经知道其存在瑕疵的除外。经营者以广告、产品说明、实物样品或者其他方式表明商品或者服务的质量状况的。应当保证其提供的商品或者服务的实际质量与表明的质量状况相符。
道理在消费者一边,40D在广告中号称10次快门使用寿命的。

我在佳能官网关于产品维修的用户反馈中写道:

佳能公司在各类广告宣传中均宣称40D有10万次快门使用寿命。
自消费者购买40D的那一刻起,佳能公司实际上相当于与消费者签订了一份40D次快门使用寿命10万的合同。
如果是快门组的故障(目前我的快门使用次数是2万次左右),很明显,佳能公司违反了合同约定。
我将采取措施维护我的权益。
如果是其它故障,希望佳能公司在今后能提高产品质量。
在网络发达的时代,一点小问题也可能被扩大化,影响佳能的声誉。
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原文由 去六楼吹吹风 在2008-12-27 19:41发表
原本有意40D的现在有点点怕怕,50D刚出来也曝出有不少ERR99这个固件可以解决,40D就不可以通过固件解决吗?
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err99 ,40d今日终于※※,我07年9月份进得机器。nnd。
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我的40D近期也err99了,根据故障表现观察,多半是快门组故障。目前快门正好19999次。
今年拍摄不再感动,头痛......
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原文由 秦人老张 发表
我的40D也出现过上述问题 ,好在保修期。送到佳能维修站后,西安维修站又送到北京维修。等了一个多月总算修好了。到现在总算好着呢,就怕再出现一次啊!

[秦人老张 编辑于 2009-09-28 16:20]


DX 我也在西安。。。。
你当时去的那个维修站!
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我的40D也出现过上述问题 ,好在保修期。送到佳能维修站后,西安维修站又送到北京维修。等了一个多月总算修好了。到现在总算好着呢,就怕再出现一次啊!

[秦人老张 编辑于 2009-09-28 16:20]
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那位大侠来帮回答一下啊,还有需要注意什么?
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请教一下相机的维修问题,大家是到当地的维修店维修呢还是把机器邮寄到北京总部修理?
有什么区别?
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我从30D换到40D后,发现40D的快门声音比较闷,不脆,本来30D的快门声就不如D200、D300,但40D的声音还不如30D好听。虽然目前还没坏(拍的少,用你康德时候多),但听声音似乎也快坏了。
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偶的也偶有err 99故障,不过偶的是10D,被我操了这么多年,我也就原谅他了...毕竟一年也出现不了几次
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是不是无忌色友应该联合起来发声明, 要求佳能召回?

当年A70的CCD有问题的时候也是大家喊了很长时间以后, 大陆的用户才有机会免费换的。
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用个相机不容易,买的时候怕js,买了还得研究相机的机械构造。
能安心拍照吗,唉
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原文由 tomax 发表
今天40d挂了!
2008年2月购入,快门仅两千次!!
对焦合焦后按下快门,快门只落下不再升起,同时打印输出钮蓝光闪烁。
关机不起作用,只能插拔电池使得反光板复原。反复多次无果!
按压闪光灯弹出钮,机器也会死机,液晶屏显示全无。气死了!
明天准备去金宝大厦,估计的600多大元啦,TMD CANON.!
后怕手里的5d2也会重 ......


我跟你情况类似,我是08年4月买的行货,最近2月没动,今天玩了下 就感动了。。。
快门6千左右,怎么弄都不行,不知道是不是固件的问题,以前1.1。0的时候什么事都没有啊
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原来是这样,等快门换过后要旧快门回来看看。
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据说:

Canon's Error 99: the Man, the Myth
Posted 2008.12.31
NOTE: This article was updated in April of 09 after Mark at Precision Camera, our favorite repair shop, provided us with some additional information.

This is probably the most boring article I’ve written for LensRentals. (Personally, I like Smashed Front Element the best.) But, I love a good mystery, and I love debunking DSLR “urban legends”. Every so often I run across an online forum where someone makes broad statements about Error 99 which I know are incorrect or at least incomplete. As is my practice, I’ve boldly charged into these online gunfights devoid of intellectual ammunition (i.e. facts). And predictably, the intellectual level of the discussions quickly spirals down from “Is not”, “Is so” into the traditional online-forum sign-offs of “You get Err99 because you’re a bad photographer” and “if you’ve never gotten Err99 you’re obviously not taking many pictures”.

Because Canon Corporate apparently believes that releasing no information about a problem makes it go away, there is little factual information to debunk the online myths regarding Err99 unless you really do a lot of digging. Googling Err99, Canon EOS error codes, etc. brings up several dozen pages of links most of which are the above mentioned “discussions”. There are a few nuggets of truth out there, though. The most complete of these is a multi-year 2,300 post discussion of Err99 problems at Richard’s Notes. There are also a few thoughtful and factual discussions that have taken place in some of the better forums online. After spending far more hours than I intended looking through these sources to settle an online debate, I thought I’d write a summary of what I found and what we’ve experienced here— LensRentals has over 700 Canon lenses and over 50 Canon bodies, so we have a bit of Err99 experience.

The Myths
Some of the most common Err99 myths are listed below. Strictly speaking, they are not myths; almost every one is true. The myth part comes from thinking that any one of them is actually the cause of Err99. So:

Err99 results from an electronic communication problem between the lens and the camera.
Err99 results from using third-party (i.e. Sigma, Tamron, Tokina) lenses.
Err99 means that electronic circuitry in the lens has failed.
Err99 means that electronic circuitry in the camera has failed.
Err99 results from using third party batteries.
Err99 is a firmware issue, and can be fixed by upgrading to the latest firmware.
Err99 started with Canon XT and 20D cameras.
There are a lot more. Almost all of them are true for at least some cases of Err99. The best myth, though, is that Canon purposely created error 99 to prevent the use of third party lenses. As best I can tell, that one isn’t really true, but it does make fun speculation. And, of course, Canon’s nearly total silence on error 99 and other problems certainly helps feed the conspiracy theorists among us.

A Brief History of Error 99
Canon no longer officially comments on Err codes, but if we go back to the golden days when they did, we can unravel a lot of the Err99 mystery almost immediately. Back in 2000 Canon released its first mainstream DSLR, the 3.1 megapixel D30. The manual contained a helpful list of the camera’s built in error codes:

ERR 09: System Error. This error occurs when the EOS D30’s self-checking system processing time has exceeded the specified limit.
ERR 22: CF DRIVER. Data cannot be written to the CF card for some reason or another.
ERR 23: NO SPACE LEFT ON THE CF CARD. Space remaining is smaller than needed to complete the write operation.
ERR 50: CF FORMAT. The CF card cannot be formatted in the camera.
ERR 51: PLAY MODE. The CF card cannot be played back in the camera.
ERR 80: SHUTTER. The shutter operation sequence has not been completed correctly.
ERR 81: MIRROR. Mirror up/down status cannot be detected during shutter release.
ERR 82: STROBE. The built-in flash cannot be charged.
ERR 83: POP UP. The built-in flash’s pop-up operation cannot be detected.
ERR 84: LENS COMMMUNICATION. Electronic communication with the lens cannot be established, or the aperture diaphragm cannot be controlled.
In 2002, the D60 was released. It had a reduced set of error codes:

ERR 01: LENS COMMMUNICATION. Electronic communication with the lens cannot be established, or the aperture diaphragm cannot be controlled.
ERR 02: CF DRIVER. Data cannot be written to the CF card.
ERR 04: NO SPACE LEFT ON THE CF CARD. Space remaining is smaller than needed to complete the write operation.
ERR 05: POP UP. The built-in flash’s pop-up operation cannot be detected.
ERR 99: SYSTEM ERROR. There is an internal malfunction detected during the camera’s self-checking procedure which is executed before every attempted exposure.
Key point: Error 99 is a catch-all which can mean almost anything went wrong.

As far as we can tell, the Canon error codes have remained the same through the 50D and 5DMkII camera bodies, at least nominally. The more recent bodies have added an Err 06 code for ‘sensor cleaning unit malfunction’, and there are now ERR 10, 20, 30, 40 . . . 80 codes on 5D Mk II cameras (with the useful message ‘Shooting is not possible’. Duh!). Also some more recent manuals now define ERR99 as “an error other than one of the above (ERR1-ERR06)” has occurred. The only semi-official statement from Canon in recent years is one from Chuck Westfall in TheDigitalJournalist saying “[ERR99] is a non-specific error code which can be caused by a wide range of malfunctions. … a variety of problems can be caused by the use of non-Canon accessories such as lenses, memory cards, battery packs, electronic flash units, etc.”

Now, Let’s Speculate
We know from the above that the ERR99 code has existed since the D60, but most of the current ERR99 online discussion and speculation started around 2003-2004. A large part of this is for obvious reasons: the number of Canon SLRs in service exploded around 2003 and 2004 with the introduction of the Digital Rebel and the 20D cameras. There are some other factors that may have contributed to the marked increase in ERR99 reports around this time. Several changes that occurred, but probably did not have much to do with the ERR99 increase include:

The EF-S lens mount was introduced in 2003 with the Digital Rebel.
Canon flash systems changed to E-TTL II in 2004. E-TTL-II largely incorporates a change in the flash calculations done in the camera body and communicated to the flash unit through the hot shoe. (Some people state ERR99 problems involving flashes have only occurred since this change, but these are rare at any rate.)
In 2003 Canon increased the number of autofocus points in prosumer cameras from 3 to 7 (10D) and again to 9 in 2004 (20D).
The Digic image processing chip was introduced in prosumer cameras in 2003, and the more powerful Digic II in 2004 with the 20D and Rebel XT.
There are a few changes, however, that logic suggests might have had some causative effect on ERR 99 messages.

Lens-to-Camera Electronic Communication
Although Canon hasn’t said so specifically, pretty strong circumstantial evidence indicates that the electronic connections between lens and camera were changed at least once and probably twice since 1998. The first change is probably better documented and seems to have occurred first with the EOS 3 and EOS 1V film cameras, which introduced the 45-point autofocus system later used on the 1D series digital SLRs. A number of third party lenses (mostly Sigma) would not communicate autofocus information with these cameras, and required re-chipping by the manufacturer to regain compatibility. The same problem occurred with the introduction of the 10D digital camera, which increased prosumer autofocus points from 3 to 7 and introduced the Digic processor. Of note, those incompatible third party lenses gave an ERR99 message, not ERR01, when used with the 10D. As best I can find, the first widespread ERR99 reports occurred when third party lenses couldn’t communicate electronically with the new 10D camera, and the soon-to-follow Rebel and 20D. This is the source of many people’s partially incorrect belief that ERR99 always means a miscommunication between camera and lens.

Lens Current Draw
The second change is less clearly established. Some sources state that lenses with IS systems have higher electric current transmitted from the camera than other lenses do, which makes sense, considering that they have more work to do. In-lens image stabilization first appeared in 1995 with slight improvements in 1997 and 1999. A major improvement was made in 2001 with the faster IS system used in the 70-200 f/2.8L IS and again in 2006 with the new four-stop system in the 70-200 f/4L IS. The newest IS systems are more powerful and stabilize more quickly (0.5 seconds as opposed to 1 second with older systems), so it’s logical to assume they draw more current across the connections, although this is not documented anywhere that I can find.

Several lenses with newer IS, including the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS (2005), EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS (2006), and 70-200mm f/4L IS (2006) became very popular with photographers shooting EF-S mount cameras. We know that malfunctions in some of these lenses, most commonly reported with the 17-55 f/2.8 IS, cause ERR99 (and not ERR01) on EF-S mount cameras. Cleaning the electronic contacts on the camera and lens will often fix, or at least improve the problem. There are a few reports that the problem is more common with original Digital Rebel and 20D cameras, and less common with newer cameras; our data supports this too. Some knowledgeable people have speculated that there was a change in contact alloy, a thinner layer of gold plating, or other electrical contact issues with the XT and 20D cameras that make it more difficult for these cameras to deliver the required current to the newer IS lenses. On the other hand, the problem may simply be more common with older cameras because the lens contacts are more likely to be worn.

In-Camera Voltage Drops
Another theory that has some factual basis was reported several years ago on DPReview. A tester found that Canon 20D cameras would display ERR99 if the camera voltage fell below 7.3 volts. The BP511 battery used in all prosumer cameras prior to the 5DMkII should deliver a bit over 8 volts in fully charged state, but will fail to deliver sufficient voltage in certain conditions: dirty contacts, failure of a cell within the battery, age, rapid power consumption, or some combination of the above. This certainly would explain the ERR99 problems occurring with bad batteries or bad battery contacts. Again, just speculating, but I would suggest that a fall in voltage across just part of the camera circuitry would also cause ERR99— for example, across dirty or corroded electrical contacts, across a cracked ribbon cable, or perhaps a slightly corroded circuit board connector. I’ll come back to this idea later.

Common Causes of ERR 99
I’m listing these in my own perceived order of frequency, combining our experience at LensRentals with reading countless online ERR 99 reports. The list has been revised after further information from Precision Camera about actual causes they see during repair. One important thing they reminded me of: when we see ERR99 on the screen, the camera actually has more information about the cause of the error internally. A repair shop can read this information from the camera and often determine the cause with complete accuracy.

Lens/camera electrical contact failure
Lens circuit (AF or IS) failure
Camera electronic circuit failure (see below)
Battery or Grip problems
Broken or stuck lens aperture diaphragm – Note: this most often happens only when the lens is completely stopped down. If you have questions about the lens, shoot it both wide open and stopped down. If ERR99 appears when stopped down, its an aperture issue.
Older third-party lens with incompatible electronics
Jammed or damaged camera shutter curtain
Mis-formatted or damaged card
Damaged or corroded cell within camera battery
Failure of the sequence motor—according to precision this is unusual, but does occur, especially in older cameras that have been through a shutter replacement.
Corroded battery or camera contacts
Incorrectly mounted battery grip, particularly if it’s too loose
Camera/hot shoe electrical contact failure
Moisture condensation within camera or lens (or corrosion occurring days or weeks after moisture exposure)
Most of us cannot define in-camera circuitry failure more specifically than “it went to Canon for repair”, but a few skillful individuals have disassembled their ERR99 frozen cameras and reported things like loosened solder splats that were causing shorts, ribbon cables not firmly seated in their connectors, loose metal shields in the camera that could move enough to short or ground an electrical part, etc. If you’ve never seen the insides of a digital SLR, there are an amazing amount of electronic connections packed into basically no space in there.

Experience at LensRentals_com
There are a number of “what to do when ERR 99 occurs” lists that I’ve summarized below. Before we jump to them, though, I think its important to try to narrow down the ERR 99’s cause, rather than to go through the list and hope everything is better. I realize “finding the problem” sounds remarkably obvious, but bear with me for a second. With hundreds of lenses mounted to hundreds of different cameras at any one time, we deal with a lot of ERR 99 problems. Some ERR 99 issues are specific and immediate: suddenly the camera starts giving ERR99 with almost every shot. Resetting the electronics helps for a few shots— or doesn’t— but the problem recurs and the camera is basically useless. These “catastrophic” ERR 99 episodes usually means there’s been a major injury in the camera or lens: shutter failure, circuitry burnout, etc. Sometimes the fix is easy— new battery, smoothing a jammed shutter curtain, changing lenses, etc.— but most often a trip back to the mothership for either the camera or the lens is in order.

Other ERR 99 problems are more subtle: ERR 99 shows up after a lens change, lets say. Cleaning the contacts makes it go away, but it comes back a week later, getting more frequent over time. It may just be with one lens at first, but may start occurring with other lenses. In these cases I think it important to remember the point about electrical voltage made above: if voltage drops below 7.3V in the camera’s circuitry, ERR 99 is likely to occur. Voltage drops across different connectors are cumulative, and batteries produce less voltage as current increases. What may seem a case of dirty contacts may really be a narrow power margin, due to oil on the lens contacts, an old battery that’s not producing its rated voltage when fully charged, a lens that’s sucking down power to run the IS servos, which finally drops below the lower operating threshold when autofocus is activated. Cleaning the lens contacts might help, but that doesn’t make it “the problem”. So, be careful when diagnosing an intermittent problem. Its also important to do everything you can to narrow down the problem. Sending the camera to Canon for “intermittent ERR99” without more information is likely to lead to “can’t reproduce problem” at the Canon Service Center.

For example, once or twice a month we’ll have a customer tell us “the lens is causing ERR 99 on my camera, none of my other lenses do that”, so we send them a replacement. We have the luxury most individuals don’t get in that situation: the ability to test that lens on multiple cameras, plus the customer will try another copy of the same lens on their camera. In some cases, the customer will tell us the second lens is the same as the first on their camera; meanwhile, the first lens seems fine when tested on other bodies. Here, the problem is a weakness in the customer’s camera body that became apparent only when a lens with heavier power requirements was used. In other cases, the second lens works fine for the customer and the first lens, when returned, gives ERR 99 on other bodies. Again, problem obvious, the lens had internal damage to the electronics or aperture system.

In a lot of cases though, the problem is less obvious. The new lens works fine for the customer, the old one seems to work well on other bodies. At first, we just shrugged our shoulders and said “one of those things” but over time, as we track the problems that occur with various copies of lenses and cameras, something became apparent to us. Unless we found the specific cause of ERR 99 and corrected it then the problem, while intermittent, would recur. We’ve worked on developing an ERR 99 stress test for lenses that only show the problem intermittently: we use an older camera body, halfway charged battery, and take up to several hundred shots being sure to change the aperture, zoom, and focal distance frequently. Doing this we’re sometimes able to reproduce the problem in a lens that otherwise seems to have just had some isolated ERR 99 reports.

That being said, there are also circumstances where ERR 99 has occurred and then never, ever happened again:

Using older battery (solved after replacing battery)
Bad CF card (solved after replacing card)
After marked temperature change (solved after letting the camera sit for a day or so, probably condensation)
After mounting battery grip (solved after remounting the battery grip)
With single lens only, all other lenses fine (solved by repairing the lens)
Early copies of 50D (solved after firmware update)
Camera used with third party shoe mounted flash (solved after flash removed)
Dirty contacts (solved by cleaning, sometimes that is the only problem)
For no apparent reason, it went away for good after doing the routine ERR 99 protocol. This part reminds me of “any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”…
The LensRentals Error 99 Process
This is based on Canon’s technical support suggestions, with a couple of additions we’ve made as we gained experience.

First, we pull a “tech support” reboot.

Turn camera off.
Remove battery.
Replace battery.
Turn camera on.
Try a shot.
Sometimes that works. If not then a full reboot:

Turn off the camera.
Remove the lens, battery, date-time battery (see below), and CF card.

Allow the camera to sit without power for approximately 20 minutes with the power switch “on”. Recharge the battery during this time. (Full disclosure here: somebody once suggested the 20 minutes and power switch on part, we want to top off the battery anyway, and we’ve generally got other stuff to do so we do it this way. Waiting 30 seconds and using a different, fully charged battery would probably be just as good, but this is what we do.)
Turn off the camera, replace the backup battery, insert the fully charged battery, turn on the camera.

Press the shutter button to check for ERR 99.
If ERR 99 occurs, remove the battery, examine and clean the battery and camera connections. If at all possible, try a different battery.
If ERR 99 still occurs, use the manual sensor cleaning function to raise the mirror and open the shutter. If the shutter does not completely open, it is the source of the problem. If a leaf is out of alignment, some people have reported using a soft brush to move the shutter leaf back into place. Personally, I’d send it in for service.
If ERR 99 still occurs, the camera almost certainly needs service. You might try reinstalling firmware, but it’s unlikely to work.
If there’s no ERR 99 after the above, the next step is to check the storage system:

Insert and format CF card, then press the shutter button as you would to take a picture.
If ERR 99 try a different brand and size of card. If no ERR 99, the problem was the card and you should be done.
If ERR 99 still occurs with a different card, the problem is with the camera’s card connections, and repair will be necessary.
Finally, check the lens:

Turn the camera back off.
Gently clean the contacts on both the lens and the camera (see Note #2 below)

Remount the problem lens, set to manual focus, IS off, widest aperture and take a picture.
If no ERR 99 with everything off, activate autofocus, then IS, then stop the aperture down, taking a picture to confirm no ERR 99 after each step.
If ERR 99 occurs, try a different lens. If only one lens is a problem, that lens needs servicing. You’ll get better service results when you can be specific: i.e. “ERR 99 only when IS activated, etc.” in your service request.
If ERR 99 occurs with more than one lens, and no other cause is apparent, the camera needs to head to Canon for repair.
Note #1: Some ERR 99 problems occur only with the camera in certain settings: i.e only in Av mode, or only in AI servo. In these cases, repair is almost certainly needed.

Note #2: I know first-hand that Canon Service Techs use the “gently rubbing a clean pencil eraser” technique of cleaning the electrical contacts. I also know that knowledgeable electronic engineers state this is a bad idea, that the friction could wear out the gold plating on the electronic connections, leading to corrosion. Radio shack and other electronics stores sell electrical contact cleaning solution that can be used with a Q-tip or soft cloth to clean the contacts as an alternative. I’m still using the eraser; I figure if rubbing metal contacts across each other every time I change a lens isn’t wearing out the coating, the pencil eraser sure isn’t.

End Game
I know this has been an overly long and probably not-very-useful essay, but it’s a topic I really got into. I certainly will have made some omissions or mistakes in something this long and complex. I welcome corrections and suggestions from any of you with different experience in this area and plan on updating and upgrading this piece as I get more input.

Roger Cicala
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看了这个帖子 对40D的信心大打折扣!
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今天进了一台二手40D,打开拍了几张就开始ERR99,
没有办法只好退回去了!
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我的是行货啊,用了3个月快门就坏了,估计拍了1000张就。。。刚刚换好新的快门回来了。
不知道会不会再坏呢?不知道有没有按照lz说的改进过了?修过2次的兄弟姐妹们来报个到吧。。。也不知道怎么注意了,怕怕ing
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我们公司两台主力机都是40d 忙的时候一天千余张 不忙的时候几百张,年初买的,现在还刚刚的。为啥就是不坏呢··唉
大前年买的30d 到现在也是不坏。按照我们的拍摄量 20w张应该有了吧。皮都快掉了,也不会坏,唯一不同的是我们买的都是行货。
难道是水货水土不服?
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今天40d挂了!
2008年2月购入,快门仅两千次!!
对焦合焦后按下快门,快门只落下不再升起,同时打印输出钮蓝光闪烁。
关机不起作用,只能插拔电池使得反光板复原。反复多次无果!
按压闪光灯弹出钮,机器也会死机,液晶屏显示全无。气死了!
明天准备去金宝大厦,估计的600多大元啦,TMD CANON.!
后怕手里的5d2也会重蹈覆辙!

谁在说佳能没问题那是还没轮到您!我可是领教啦。。。。
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近期正在看蜂鸟上关于2手40D的消息呢...看了这个贴,还是耐心的把400D快门拍到3万以上再说吧
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有一部分error 99是镜头马达的问题,镜头内某根连线经受不住长期伸缩断了,就提示err 99了。
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原文由 jenaslau 发表
今天到国美去问了一下,那里一个看着很专业的人说,水40D,都是拆过包装的,而且还让JS换了快门,本来有点不怎么相信,看了这帖,貌似他说的有点道理??

哈哈,国美里的人,不提了
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